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  JDubs and home schooling

  by Ignoranceisbliss in

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  2. friends

  recently i had a conversation with a close witness friend.

  i have always viewed him as moderate.

  not full j-dub nut bag witness style.

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  www.newsystemschool.org
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  Today's WT study! So hypocritical!

  by stuckinarut2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  so today's study is all about being kindly, and not judgemental to those in the congregation....we don't know their circumstances etc.... i can't believe the hypocrisy being spewed out...both in the article and by means of the answers from the audience!.

  we know the reality is so different!

  unless a witness does everything exactly as the gb directs...in every aspects of life, they are effectively no longer a good person, but are viewed as spiritually lacking or weak..... they are going directly beyond the biblical directives, and being ones who condemn, rather than ones who commend!.

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  Listen, obey and be blessed...or else.

  This is typical behavior of an abusive relationship. I control you, put you down, demoralize you and slap you around tonight. Tomorrow I shower you with gifts and tell you how much I love and care for you.
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  AS JW.ORG TRAFFIC GOES UP, DOOR-TO-DOOR TRAFFIC WILL GO DOWN

  by steve2 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  here's a hypothesis that we can expect to see robustly tested over the next 2 (2016) to 5 years (2019):.

  as jw.org traffic goes up, door-to-door work will go down.

  it will be harder to maintain a focus on the motivation and effort required to go "out" into your local territory because the "shift" has started to occur.

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  I'm confident that multiple scriptural precedents will be ... uncovered. Perhaps as a 'refreshment to your soul' or 'my yoke is kindly'.

  Field service has, in recent decades, become a mere social event. This fits the bill.

  ginger
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  Not on jw.org - comments regarding bad Jehovah's Witness employees

  by jwfacts in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i used to be very impressed with convention experiences regarding how worldly employers would hire jws because they were known as the most honest workers.

  i was too indoctrinated to realise these were selective experiences, and there are plenty of experiences of jws being dishonest in the workforce.

  i have received a couple recently by email.. i have cut quite a bit out of the following email i received so that the person and company cannot be indentified, but you will get the message.. .

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  gingerbread

  We've also had some Adventists do work for us and all too often they share the same attitude toward work - do as little as possible while earning the maximum amount of money for the job.

  It's weird - I think because they also share the same 'living as alien residents' in a world ruled by Satan ... awaiting the paradise to be restored on earth.

  Adventists and JW's also share the 'congregation is your family' notion and that the people in the 'world' can't be trusted - so this can justify taking advantage of employers or business owners.
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  Not on jw.org - comments regarding bad Jehovah's Witness employees

  by jwfacts in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i used to be very impressed with convention experiences regarding how worldly employers would hire jws because they were known as the most honest workers.

  i was too indoctrinated to realise these were selective experiences, and there are plenty of experiences of jws being dishonest in the workforce.

  i have received a couple recently by email.. i have cut quite a bit out of the following email i received so that the person and company cannot be indentified, but you will get the message.. .

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  gingerbread

  We stopped hiring fellow JW's many years ago - our business is retail (not night time cleaning or handyman trades or service/labor). They felt entitled in many ways - could bend the 'rules' without repercussion or held special exception. Try firing an employee on Friday and going to the meeting on Sunday....talk about getting shunned!

  We've also made it a rule not to hire JW's for any work around the home or on the vehicles. They'll jab you every time - right in the wallet and think it's okay to be late, sloppy, never on schedule or leave the job incomplete.

  In the US, many young JW's are homeschooled - and are put to work in the 'family business' by age 12 or 13 during regular school hours (plus service time of course) ....
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  My frist email letter from my JW Dad. So sad...

  by suavojr in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i am in my early 30s and woke up to ttatt in late 2012. my dad just turned 65 in june!

  wow, i never saw that being possible.. .

  he just got himself a computer and was able to get internet in a remote location where he is serving as an elder with my mom (where the need is great) i was happy to see how he was able to send me a few notes saying hi and i was able to share some pictures of my wife and family, etc.. .

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  You are in your early 30's and you're growing up - taking responsibility for yourself. That's a good and natural thing to do.

  This isn't the first time that a parent and child don't see eye-to-eye on something (it could be politics, racism, legalization of drugs, women's rights, freedom of speech, choice of spouse, raising children, career decisions, immigration laws, the environment....or religion).

  Accept this fact and be respectful. Being a faithful Witness is obviously very important to your dad. And, like any good dad, he wants the best for his children (this means all in his family must be faithful the the Organization ... because the alternative in his mind means eternal death).

  Live and let live. Move on. Be good. Be free.

  ginger
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  Shouldn't the WTBTS have more than 7 million followers after 140 years of preaching?

  by RULES & REGULATIONS in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  after 140 years of preaching and millions of books, magazines, and tracts, all the wtbts has to show is a measly 7 million members.

  the mormons, baptists, pentecostals and many other religions have more members without the preaching work.. in your opinion, is 7 million members way too many for all the odd beliefs, doctrines and practices ?

  or, should be more members since they have had over 140 years of being in the religion business?.

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  gingerbread

  At different times during the 1960's, 70's and 80's the WT sent a clear message to stop having children because Armageddon was going to happen at any moment.

  When the 'no children' rhetoric would stop many JW couples started breeding like rabbits....and BOOM here we are today.

  ginger
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  Prediction: The organization to ease up on disfellowshipping for apostasy.

  by kneehighmiah in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i believe the organization is already easing up on disfellowshipping people for apostasy.

  they know most doubters just want to be left alone.

  disfellowshipping them turns them into martyrs.

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  gingerbread

  The WT Society is to far down the disfellowshipping rabbit hole to back out - especially for 'crimes' of apostasy.

  By this I mean spreading apostate viewpoints to congregation members or on the internet. Then they are under obligation to shut you up.

  Leniency on this particular matter would only lead to divisions - and that is the number ONE thing that the Governing Body can't risk.

  ginger
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  I know 2 of the Elders on the Ray Franz JC

  by James Jackson in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  when i read coc, i was stunned that the 2 elders (theotis french & rob dibble) were on ray franz judcial committee.

  i have known these men for over 20 years having done rbc and convention work with them.

  they are still elders today which means they were in their early 30's(which is unheard of for a case of this importance to have inexperienced elders to sit on) on this committee.. without revealing myself, i have never tried(but have wanted to), ask them about their on having to judge a former gb member.. then out of the blue, about a year ago, i was mentioning how hard it is trying to get younger ones to volunteer to one of these elders, and he says"this is nothing compared to to sitting on the committee that had to disfellowship ray franz".

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  gingerbread

  Theotis French's son left his wife and 'the truth' to pursue a different sort of life. He saw through the hypocrisy of the teachings of the Org. Unfortunatly his wife was an innocent victim. Theotis chose the organization over his son.

  And, before anyone starts tromping around on their naysaying high-horse, yes....I know of the situation personally and many other folks from this area - Gregerson family included. The comments from James Jackson since he began posting here are factual and honest. I don't think I know JJ personally - but I bet I know plenty of others around him.

  Hundreds of people have faced judicial commitees and stood up for what they believed in ... and were disfellowshipped from the 'christian congregation'. This process will continue until the headquarters of Jehovah's Witnesses closes it's doors. It's a private club and you're only invited to the party if you play by their rules.

  Simple.

  ginger
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  The elders are 'letting me fade'

  by TableForOne in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i attended my last meeting in january 2014, having realised that i'd been lied to for 20+ years (i'm now 43 y/o).

  rumours spread of my 'apostasy'.. in may, cobe contacted me inviting me to a private meeting with elders at the kh.

  (no mention of the meeting being a jc).

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  gingerbread

  Every circumstance is different.

  We've been left alone for a year - even after attending only one meeting this year - the Memorial. We have a lot of family and long time friends that are fully involved JW's.

  Keeping quiet around these folks, not shoving the reality of the religion in their face, not talking about your reasons for exiting, no emotional 'fireworks', arguments or congregational drama - they'll let you quietly go away.

  This method has worked for decades. It's working for our family.

  ginger