The actual conversation with the "Exorcist" took place a year ago and I've not seen the guy again. I did take a look at his business card and watched several of his videos on YouTube. They are about at the same intellectual level as Ken Ham and the Crocoduck:)
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Conversation with an Exorcist
by TerryWalstrom instarbucks exorcist______________.
location exterior : the patio of starbuckstime: 9 amcast:lou : media / news analyst, religious fundamentalistterry: gadfly, writer /crow apologist, big mouth know-it-alledgar the crow: spawn of satan________________.
our scene begins with two men at separate tables working on their laptops.lou is a man of about 60. he recently moved from new york to texas to start his own videography business.
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Conversation with an Exorcist
by TerryWalstrom instarbucks exorcist______________.
location exterior : the patio of starbuckstime: 9 amcast:lou : media / news analyst, religious fundamentalistterry: gadfly, writer /crow apologist, big mouth know-it-alledgar the crow: spawn of satan________________.
our scene begins with two men at separate tables working on their laptops.lou is a man of about 60. he recently moved from new york to texas to start his own videography business.
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STARBUCKS EXORCIST
______________Location Exterior : The patio of Starbucks
Time: 9 am
Cast:
Lou : Media / News analyst, religious fundamentalist
Terry: Gadfly, writer /Crow apologist, big mouth know-it-all
Edgar the Crow: Spawn of Satan
________________Our scene begins with two men at separate tables working on their laptops.
Lou is a man of about 60. He recently moved from New York to Texas to start his own Videography business.
He is shooing flies away from his laptop screen with a disgusted expression.
A few feet away, Terry begins waving his arms and scowling.____
Terry: Thanks a lot. Your refugees have crossed my border.
Lou: Oh, Sorry. Starbucks needs to provide flyswatters for people who sit out here.
Terry: You’re obviously not a Republican Conservative!
Lou: Um Actually--I am. Why you'd say that?
Terry: Conservatives preach personal responsibility and not getting others to provide for them.
Lou: Ahhh, I see. I see. That’s funny. Are you a Republican?
Terry: You don’t want to know. Trust me.
Lou: What--why not?
Terry: It’s like asking Jack Nicholson to tell the truth on the witness stand.
Lou: I’m sorry--I don’t understand.
Terry: What did Nicholson answer when Tom Cruise asked him to tell the truth?
Lou: (Blank expression)
Terry: (Quoting Colonel Jessup in A Few Good Men) “You want the truth? You want the truth? You can’t handle the truth!
Lou: (Face brightening. He ‘gets it’)
Okaaay. Why though? I’m serious. Are you a Liberal?Terry: Two things civilized people don’t discuss are Politics and the other is --”
Lou: (Jumping in) Religion!
Haha, I produce religious videos and I’m a Website owner who provides commentary on political events with a biblical Christian viewpoint.Terry: I’m sorry to hear that. No civilized discussions are possible with the likes of yer kind.
Lou: You’re a pretty funny guy. What do you do?
Terry: Writer. I write analyses debunking religious & political commentary.
Lou: Sure. Sure. No really. Do you write books or what?
Terry: Books, blog essays, CD liner notes, Short stories, poems, bathroom graffiti, ransom notes...
Lou: I don’t know when to take you seriously.
Terry: The day after March 31st is a good bet.
_________________From offstage, Edgar, a crow flaps down on to the patio and begins foraging near our two characters. Terry opens his backpack and removes a bag of corn chips. He proceeds to toss them at the Crow with deadly accuracy.
Lou: You two know each other?
Terry: Let’s just say If I don’t feed him, there are consequences.
Lou: Sounds like the Mafia!
Terry: (Glancing furtively left & right) These are things about which we must not speak.
Lou: Ha! What kind of consequences?
Terry: (Relates two blood-curdling tales of Crow payback.)
Lou: Are you being serious?
Terry: Keyser Soze with feathers--that’s what we’re dealing with here.
Lou: (Clueless) I’m sorry?
Terry: (Quoting Verbal Kint in the Usual Suspects) The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.
Lou: (Pivoting out of context) I have performed actual exorcisms on people!
Terry: Of course you have. I'd have bet money on it. What about Crows?
Lou: You can hear another person’s voice coming out of the possessed. And when you finally liberate them, their voice changes and a great relief comes over their body.
Terry: I frequently meet people who talk out of their ass.
Lou: (Ignoring the remark) It’s the person’s vocal chords--but a foreign voice. Very frightening unless the power of Jesus Christ is there to protect you.
Terry: (Triggered by forces more powerful than personal restraint) Okaaay. I have a question about Demons.
Lou: Sure, go ahead.
Terry: How large are they? About this size of an amoeba?
Lou: Beg your pardon?
Terry: A Roman Legion was from three thousand to five thousand soldiers. That’s a lot of Demons to cram into a person! Like the fella Jesus exorcised in the book of Luke.
Lou: Uh--well. . . Nobody ever asked that before. You do realize they are Spirits, right?
Terry: For something to be real it must have a size.
Lou: Well. Um. There are things called spirits. God is a Spirit. They are real but. . .
Terry: I’m just asking why cram inside a person like clowns in a Volkswagon?Lou: (Lost) Uh. Well. That's the nature of demons.
Terry: The history of knowledge passed through superstition, religion, philosophy, and mythology before it got to Science.
I'm more of a Post Enlightenment kind of guy. I'd say you're more comfortable Pre-Enlightenment.Lou: Where’d you get that idea?
Terry: A Dictionary. Opinions without evidence are called FAITH. Science calls for evidence, not wishful thinking.
Lou: I’m not talking about human opinions. I’m talking about in the Bible. God's revealed truth.
Terry: Spirits without a size who cram into human beings by the thousands so Louis can get them to crawl back out again--right?
Lou: Yes. I have performed exorcisms.
Terry: Single occupancy or multiple occupancies?
Lou: (Wheels turning) I uh lost you there?
Terry: Legion in the Book of Acts? It’s non-testable in any scientific sense.
Lou: Well--you can measure the effects. You can prove Spirits by their effects.
Terry: That’s like me saying to a Comedian--I’m not laughing, so you aren’t a Comedian. If I don't laugh he doesn't exist?
Lou: (Suddenly chuckling) That is funny. You are a funny guy.
Terry: It is a Philosophical question--not an existential one.
Lou: You’ve lost me.
Terry: Logical Fallacy called Post hoc ergo propter hoc.
Trying to prove something by saying, whatever happened BEFORE an event was the CAUSE. I was describing your argument in terms of that Logical Fallacy.Lou: Whew! You are hard work to talk to!
Terry: Quoting you: "You can PROVE Spirits by their effects."
Lou: Um, haha, okay--okay.
Terry: Let me tell you a little story about a cowpoke who was known throughout the Badlands as the most accurate marksman in all the west. Okay?
Lou: I’m all ears.
Terry: DeadEye Dick had the reputation as a fantastic marksman. Why? Reasonable people figured it out by looking at the tiny chalk circles on the side of the Blacksmith's shop where Dick fired his weapon whenever he rode by on horseback. Inside those tiny chalk circles, dead center were Dick's bullets.
Lou: That’s pretty good shooting. But, so what?
Terry: What those people didn't know was that the Blacksmith was the fellow drawing chalk-marks around the bullet holes each time Dick rode by and shot at his wall so he'd have an accurate count when he dragged him before the circuit Judge and sued him for repairs.
Lou: (Thinking. Thinking.) Oh. OH, hahaha, that’s good. That’s good.
Terry: Assuming the result was caused by the thing before or, in this case, the other way around, was logical but dead wrong.
_________The Crow appears again. This time, closer to Lou.
Lou: I guess I better not feed him or I’ll end up like you.
Terry: If only. If only.
Lou: So, do you believe those Crow stories you tell or not?
Terry: I believe what I’ve seen. The other stuff is opinion and hearsay. Sometimes reasonable stories are wrong and sometimes unreasonable stories are true.
Lou: The Bible is an infallible source of truth.
Terry: Did God create Eve by taking Adam’s rib from his side or is that a legend?
Lou: Fact.
Terry: Then it was really Adam’s actual rib?
Lou: That’s what the Bible says. Yes. It is a fact.
Terry: That would mean Eve was created by cloning and factually a Clone of Adam--and therefore, a man!
Lou: No wait a minute--no it doesn’t?
Terry: That’s okay. You can’t expect ancient writers and storytellers to know about DNA. But--if it is the infallible word of God--you’ve got a problem!
Lou: Eve was a Woman--not a man. That’s proof she wasn’t a Clone.
Terry: The Bible is literally correct?
Lou: Infallibly correct. Yes.
Terry: Then it looks like it was Adam and Steve and the "St" got lost in translation.
Lou: Hahaha. You’re pretty funny. I enjoy talking to you. I have to go now--I’ve got an appointment. Here’s my business card. I’m sure I’ll see you around.
Terry: Please perform an exorcism before you leave and TAKE THIS DAMN CROW!
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A Poem (The Lady of the Sycamores)
by TerryWalstrom inthe lady of the sycamores ( by terry walstrom).
the monday she arrived hit local folks just like a bomb.
not since widow wilson ran away with reverend tom has gossip traveled quite as fast and twice as far in townand then the party started with the word she was around.
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My favorite tree. I like it, Nancy!
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A Poem (The Lady of the Sycamores)
by TerryWalstrom inthe lady of the sycamores ( by terry walstrom).
the monday she arrived hit local folks just like a bomb.
not since widow wilson ran away with reverend tom has gossip traveled quite as fast and twice as far in townand then the party started with the word she was around.
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I'm now thinking this could be turned into a sort of BIG BAD JOHN style song
like Jimmy Dean sang. Who would be the best singer for me to submit this to, ya think?
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Governing Body of Pharisees
by TerryWalstrom inhttps://docs.google.com/document/d/1qqef4vifauxvdqrd8oemaue-4mjf2xh8-dt94-qvsbm/edit?usp=sharing.
governing body of pharisees.
alexander (the great) and his army swept through palestine on his way to persia.
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And why, exactly, do you accept that connotation, Terry?
How is that not antisemitic?
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I'm directing it (perhaps not articulately) at the contemporary hypocrites who run the Watchtower Society. The anointed think of themselves as the real Jews (spiritual Jews) and it's not even a joke -
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The Great Pyramid and the Flood of Noah
by TerryWalstrom inthe great pyramid and the flood of noah.
_________________________________if your world view rests firmly upon the foundation of bible accuracy matching the reality of history, sooner or later you’ll crash into the question of when the great pyramid was built.why?let’s see why…2 peter 3:5-6 complete jewish bible (cjb).
5 but, wanting so much to be right about this, they overlook the fact that it was by god’s word that long ago there were heavens, and there was land which arose out of water and existed between the waters, 6 and that by means of these things the world of that time was flooded with water and destroyed.________________________________________________.
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I remember as A JW going to see a documentary made by somebody who claimed to have found Noah's Ark inside the U.S.S.R.
Funny how that mindset rushed back in and made itself at home inside my head for a few seconds.
That tells me, all Watchtower beliefs and thoughts scurry into crevices and interstices insidiously cowering in darkness just waiting for the slightest beckon.CREEPY!
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Return of the Dub (plus surprise guest)
by TerryWalstrom inreturn of the dub (plus surprise guest)dealing with just one frisky, bright-eyed jehovah’s witness is a handful.one on one is manageable.
two jw’s is more like juggling chainsaws or french kissing alligators.i had a return visit the other day and now, the jw was returning the 2nd time, but with another dub.what would my strategy be?
that’s how the day was spent.
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I was given reason to believe the boys would reappear eager as pet shop puppies at my door yesterday (Sunday). It didn't happen.
I waited. I waited some more.Shucks.
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A Poem (The Lady of the Sycamores)
by TerryWalstrom inthe lady of the sycamores ( by terry walstrom).
the monday she arrived hit local folks just like a bomb.
not since widow wilson ran away with reverend tom has gossip traveled quite as fast and twice as far in townand then the party started with the word she was around.
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The Lady of the Sycamores
( by Terry Walstrom)The Monday she arrived hit local folks just like a bomb.
Not since widow Wilson ran away with Reverend Tom
has gossip traveled quite as fast and twice as far in town
And then the party started with the word she was aroundEverything was peaceful Sunday, calm and restful
til the Monday morning Mary Sycamore arrived,
things got loud as if a riot had come to end the peace and quiet
at the house of family Sycamore.The Lady of the Sycamores is causing quite a stir
and no one else can capture hearts or has a way like her
yet women can’t get jealous raising envious alarms though every man who sees her wants to hold her in his arms.The Lady of the Sycamores’ admirers in and out her doors
have spread the word she gives them quite a thrill;
her flirty smile, enchanting laugh, even sometimes in her bath has been about the only conversation for awhile.____
The things they pin on her may not hold water even so,
offer a refreshing drink this lady won’t say no
Underneath the powder and that sassy fancy lace
There has to be a purity and fine uncommon grace
____The Lady of the Sycamores will smile at any stranger
But all she needs is someone strong to come along and change her
She’ll steal your heart if you steal kisses
warm and cuddly is what this miss is
When you lay her gently in her bed…
Only one more thing will need be said...When all excitement settles
I suppose you should be told...
The Lady of the Sycamores is only 2 days old
Oh, Baby!
The Lady of the Sycamores is only 2 days old_____
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Governing Body of Pharisees
by TerryWalstrom inhttps://docs.google.com/document/d/1qqef4vifauxvdqrd8oemaue-4mjf2xh8-dt94-qvsbm/edit?usp=sharing.
governing body of pharisees.
alexander (the great) and his army swept through palestine on his way to persia.
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Pharisees are still with us!
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The Great Pyramid and the Flood of Noah
by TerryWalstrom inthe great pyramid and the flood of noah.
_________________________________if your world view rests firmly upon the foundation of bible accuracy matching the reality of history, sooner or later you’ll crash into the question of when the great pyramid was built.why?let’s see why…2 peter 3:5-6 complete jewish bible (cjb).
5 but, wanting so much to be right about this, they overlook the fact that it was by god’s word that long ago there were heavens, and there was land which arose out of water and existed between the waters, 6 and that by means of these things the world of that time was flooded with water and destroyed.________________________________________________.
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The Great Pyramid and the Flood of Noah
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If your world view rests firmly upon the foundation of Bible accuracy matching the reality of history, sooner or later you’ll crash into the question of when the Great Pyramid was built.
Why?
Let’s see why…
2 Peter 3:5-6 Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)5 But, wanting so much to be right about this, they overlook the fact that it was by God’s Word that long ago there were heavens, and there was land which arose out of water and existed between the waters, 6 and that by means of these things the world of that time was flooded with water and destroyed.
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The surface of every continent was destroyed and new mountains formed. Thousands of feet of mud and sand were dumped on every continent, burying and fossilizing creatures and plants. Nothing manmade could survive such a catastrophe.
Geologists have found that the pyramid is built on the fossil-bearing rock layers from the Flood of Noah’s day. Clearly, the Flood had to predate a pyramid built on top of the Flood layers.
The Hebrew word translated “Egypt” is Mizraim. Mizraim was Noah’s grandson, born to Ham after the Flood. So Mizraim’s descendants could not have built the Great Pyramid of Egypt (Mizraim) until after the Flood, and for that matter, after the events at the Tower of Babel that caused Mizraim’s family to move to the region of the Nile River.
Physical evidence is presumptive of proof :in order to keep Noah’s flood in the realm of reality, the Great Pyramid must needs be constructed AFTERward.
The secular date for the Great Pyramid must be refuted as an error, and all the pyramids and ziggurats across the world today are necessarily post-Flood construction. It is an either / or proposition.(See Bodie Hodge, Answers in Genesis)
Breakthrough in accurate dating of the Great Pyramid
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In 2000, At the University of Cambridge, a highly precise methodology for determining pyramid dates has convinced astronomers and Egyptologists, the only possible time for the kind of mind-blowing accuracy of construction used for the Great Pyramid would have depended on the alignment of 2 stars; one from the Big Dipper, the other, the Little Dipper.
4,500 years ago, each star was about 10 degrees from the celestial pole which lay directly between them. When one star was exactly above the other in the sky, Egyptian astronomers could find a line that pointed due north. On the Giza Plateau, Khufu's builders oriented his pyramid almost perfectly north. In fact, within .005 degrees accuracy.But the alignment was only true for a few years around 2,500 BC. Before and after that time, the stars deviated from the north-south line and anyone using the stars to plot a direction would have made errors.
And it is these mistakes in alignment in pyramid construction before and after the Great Pyramid that a British Egyptologist now believes can be used to estimate very accurately when the pyramids were built.
Several Pyramids were built for the family of the Pharaoh.Over a span of years, the alignment with true north varies less and less over time until the year of the Great Pyramid’s alignment. Subsequent pyramids built later show alignment becoming less and less accurate afterward. This variance is perfectly explained by the phenomena of 2 stars approaching alignment and passing the point toward less and less.
https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn174-pyramid-precision
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Had Egyptians used only one star, accuracy would have been constant.
Experts thought the ancient Egyptians might have watched a single star circle this imaginary point and aligned their pyramid with the circle’s centre.Alternatively, they might have measured north by tracking the path of the Sun. Either way, the accuracy with which they mastered this should have been about the same during the entire pyramid-building period.
But the accuracy wasn’t constant, Kate Spence of Cambridge University points out. Instead, the alignment of successive pyramids first steadily improved up to the building of the Great Pyramid, then later deteriorated. This makes perfect sense, she says, if the architects were measuring the alignment using not one star, but two: Mizar in Ursa Major (the Big Dipper) and Kochab in Ursa Minor (the Little Dipper).
"We know that the ancient Egyptians were extremely interested in the night sky, particularly the circumpolar stars," she told the BBC.
"These circle around the North Pole, and as you can always see them, the Egyptians always referred to them as 'The Indestructibles'."As a result, they became closely associated with eternity and the king's afterlife. So that after death, the king would hope to join the circumpolar stars - and that's why the pyramids were laid out towards them." (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/1024779.stm)
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Rewinding the astronomical clock using modern computers shows that the two stars rotated around the pole opposite each other in the Old Kingdom sky. In other words, an imaginary line joining the stars passed through the north pole. When the two stars lay vertically above each other, both would mark the position of true north for the pyramid builders.However, due to precession, the line joining Mizar and Kochab only drifted into precise alignment with the north pole in 2467 BC, then wandered away. The orientation of successive pyramids faithfully tracks this drift, Spence says, explaining the rise and fall of north-south alignment precision.
An Egyptian astronomer would have held up a plumb line and waited for the night sky to slowly pivot around the unmarked pole as the Earth rotated.When the plumb line exactly intersected both stars, one about 10 degrees above the invisible pole and the other 10 degrees below it, the sight line to the horizon would aim directly north.
However, the Earth's axis is unstable and wobbles like a gyroscope over a period of 26,000 years. Modern astronomers now know that the celestial north pole was exactly aligned between Kochab and Mizar only in the year 2,467 BC.
Either side of this date, the ancient astronomers trying to find true north would lose some accuracy.
Kate Spence shows that the orientation errors of earlier and later pyramids faithfully track the slow drift of Kochab and Mizar with respect to true north.And because the error in the Kochab-Mizar alignment can be readily calculated for any date, the error in each pyramid's orientation corresponds to a period of several years.
it is now possible to use astronomical records to date the pyramids to the nearest five years. For example, construction of the Great Pyramid at Giza began between 2487 and 2467 BC.Kate Spence
Faculty of Oriental Studies, University of Cambridge, Sidgwick Avenue, Cambridge CB3 9DA, UK
Correspondence to: Kate Spence Correspondence should be addressed to K.S. (e-mail: Email: [email protected]).
NATURE 408, 16 Nov.2000 pp.297-8, Plotting the Pyramids, by Owen Gingerich.
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NOAH’S FLOOD--WHEN DID IT “HAPPEN”?
_____________Establishing a flood date is a matter of where you go and who you ask.
Here is a compilation of sources.
Archbishop James Ussher suggest 2349 as the flood date, the Samaritan Pentateuch has 2998, the Hebrew Bible has 2288, and the Septuagint lists 3246 has the date of the flood.
http://timeline.biblehistory.com/period/noah-and-the-flood 2781.
The Watchtower Society dates Noah's flood to 2370 B.C.E.
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What conclusion can be drawn from the uncertainty of methodology by Christians and Jehovah’s Witnesses in particular in discussions of Noah, the Great Pyramid, and Bible chronology?
Is it likely the Great Pyramid was built BEFORE or AFTER Noah’s flood?
Intellectual dishonesty rears its ugly head again and again.For fun:
However, it should be noted that there are some who say that dinosaur bones and human bones are not found together because dinosaurs did not live in areas of human habitation.--"Awake!," 2/8/90, pp. 4-5.
FIND the DINOSAUR below:Can you spot the drowning dinosaur?
Use of the Great Pyramid in Watchtower teachings was not without duplicity.Source: JWFacts:
Chart of the Ages from Studies in the Scriptures - The Divine Plan
In a monumental display of deceit, when Russell revised his doctrine to focus more on 1914 than 1874, he updated his pyramid measurements in later editions of Thy Kingdom Come to suit his new interpretation. Russell originally used the size of a pyramid to prove that 1874 A.D. marked the beginning of the period of trouble, as shown below in the 1891 edition of Thy Kingdom Come. In the 1911 edition of Thy Kingdom Come, Russell changed the pyramid measurements by 41 inches, to show that 1914 would be the beginning of the time of trouble.
1874 was not removed entirely from Watchtower doctrine until 1943, when a change in how the 6000 years were calculated meant it could no longer be used as the end of the 6000 years. (see God's Kingdom on a Thousand Years Has Approached p.209)
The Watchtower’s excuse for the wrong date of 1874 was: The BIBLE used was inaccurate!
"According to an inaccurate chronology that had been worked out from the King James Authorized Version Bible, Russell calculated Christ's "presence" had begun in the year 1874 C.E., unseen to human eyes and seen only by the eye of faith." Man's Salvation Out Of World Distress At Hand (1975) p.287
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Floods, Dinosaurs, Pyramids, False dates of prophecy, wonky Chronology all mark the history ofIntellectual achievement by Jehovah’s Witnesses and evangelical Christians eager to marry reality with mythos.
