The date of 1914 can't go away, but everything surrounding this event has recently
been scrapped and replaced!
1914 will become to JW theology eventually what the appendix is to the human body;
Vestigial.
TerryWalstrom
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The Watchtower Still Depends on "1914"
by Doug Mason inmy latest study, "the watchtower still depends on '1914'" is available at:.
http://www.jwstudies.com/the_watchtower_still_depends_on_1914.pdf .
please tell me of the corrections i need to make.
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Do you believe what the Bible teaches? If "yes", why? If "no", why?
by Tenacious inif you do believe in the bible's message, do you believe society has gotten better, worse, or has remained the same?.
if you don't believe in the bible's message, do you believe society has gotten better, worse, or has remained the same?.
on a personal note, there are many things that i can't help but notice that coincide with what the apostle paul wrote to timothy in his second letter chapter 3 regarding tough times:.
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TerryWalstrom
Look no further than the history of 'Christianity' and your answer is hiding in plain sight.
Who was the first Christian? Did this person become such by reading something like the Bible? Or, were there so many debates, arguments, controversies about who said what to whom that a NEED arose to "prove" things.
The first hack at a Bible came from a person named Marcion. Yes--THAT Marcion!
He was Gnostic and eagerly embraced the only 'Christian' writings available (letters from Saul (Paul) of Tarsus.
Marcion tossed out writings about the raving lunatic God of the Hebrews (Yahweh) and assembled Paul's letters into reference.
For awhile, Marcion's side was winning. But, the early Christian community calling itself Universal (i.e. Catholic) excommunicated Marcion and--not unlike the Governing Body of JW's today) marginalized Marcion as Apostate.
4 to 5 HUNDRED years passed . . .
After much arguing and in-fighting, a Bible 'canon' was collected.
This became--by men's decree only--the official BIBLE of history.
Would you like to guess how many books it contained?
There were more than we have today!
Under the 2000+ year history of the Universal Christian Church (i.e. Catholicism)
Christians got along just fine without ever reading their Bible. Their Governing Body told them all they needed to know!
Protestations by the monk, Martin Luther, led to a great upheaval and the splitting of Christianity into a do-it-yourself group of Protestants.
Their unique claim was naive: all you need is the Bible, prayer and the Holy Spirit.
The result?
Today, we have over 41,000 separate denominations with differning interpretations of the SAME Bible!
So, now--please ask that question again, won't you?
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MAJOR DOCTRINE CHANGE IN 1/15/2014 WT ON GENERATION TEACHING
by EndofMysteries inthe generation scripture no longer is speaking about 'the end'.
i'll quote it...... side note: tons of lies in this article, i'll point out at the end of the post.
"yet, jesus words at matthew 24:34 give us confidence that at least some of "this generation will by no means pass away" before seeing the start of the great tribulation.".
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TerryWalstrom
Let's get the BIG PICTURE clear before sweeping up the shakedown of little details.
EVERYTHING has changed.
Jehovah's Witnesses (the GB) have reinvented their doctrines!
We can congratulate EX-JW community of 'apostates' for successfully gutting that fish.
It was imperative they start from scratch. They swallowed hard and pulled the trigger.
The murderer has returned to the scene of the crime and the fingerprints, smoking gun, and blood spatters have been eliminated.
Bottom line: the GB has, in effect, stated: "That was THEN, but this is NOW. Deal with it."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=red3CNxHYgA
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TerryWalstrom
I see the sex change operation went off without a hitch!
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Negative forum behavior
by Simon inanother good codinghorror blog entry perfectly describes some people's online behaviour and an approach to handling it.
i'll post part of it below but to summarize, these tend to be behaviours that don't violate any specific rules as such as the people doing it try to carefully skate just up to the line but they are nevertheless disruptive and we're not going to tolerate them on this site.
if you are here to do these things then this isn't the site for you - move along, find someplace else on the internet to inhabit.. hate is easy to recognize.
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TerryWalstrom
On the Christadelphian site they have a unique feature which I have only mentioned once here many years ago.
PANKRATION
This is a special arena for people with personal grudges to debate each other outside the general population (visiting newbies).
The ill effects of a newcommer visiting for the first time and encountering the stench of negativity wrongly biases.
This is a kind of hospital, if you stop and think about it. It is a recovery ward. It is a community picnic. It's ill-mannered to push, shove, and name-call at any of those.
However--a special Pankration arena with certain guidelines attached, will bring the REAL battle out into the open. Otherwise, it festers into covert hostility.
When I got to a certain Mexican restaurant I see the condiment area marked
according to how HOT the ingredients are. I think a similar function might be advisable for certain Topics. Controversial topics are HOT.
Proper labeling goes a long way toward preparing us for what lies therein.
Most of the bad stuff I've seen in the last decade on tis Discussion Forum has been due to certain persons POSTURING for the attention of the outside audience rather than settling things privately by internal PM.
I know because I've tried to PM certain irritating people who ignore the PM and continue their natter on the public forum.
So anyway. . .
That's my suggestion: PANKRATION arena for members only. It is one on one and not a free-for-all. Members can observe without comment.
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I'm sitting here listening to a JW try to recruit somebody
by Terry ini'm at starbucks .
just outside in the courtyard.. i'm trembling.
my hands are shaking.. wow!.
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TerryWalstrom
Each of us sits in a kind of rowboat on a vast and dangerous ocean stretching out in all directions. We may be hungry, thirsty, afraid and alone--but, if we somebody came
along and told us to drill a hole in our boat, jump into the ocean and swim with the sharks, I don't think any of us would do it.
And that, my friends, is what we are asking of a person nestled all snugly in the 'loving' embrace of Mother.
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Churches: Praise the LORD! ---- JWs: Praise the Org!
by DocHouse insad but true; i've yet to be at a meeting where the org/ 'fds' isn't praised....
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TerryWalstrom
There has been an ongoing experiment since the middle of the 16th century.
A thesis has been tested and disproved.
The thesis is simple: a pious person professing Christ as Saviour who prayerfully studies the Bible will be instructed along the path of the true faith.
How has it been disproved?
41,000 Christian denominations reveal the consequence of such tests.
Garbage in can only yield garbage out.
Christianity is only what people imagine it to be.
The Bible tells the pious and devoted supplicant an echo of his own opinions. Nothing more is possible.
There is no there there.
Each man has the Jesus he chooses.
Each denomination thinks it has THE true faith.
Each denomination believes the others cling to error.
Can you imagine anything of the sort being possible with
Euclid's text on Geometry? Unthinkable!
No matter where you travel, you'll find Euclid's texts yield exactly
the same results for each student everywhere.
No discord. Results match.
Q.E.D
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HOW TO TURN A HOME BIBLE STUDY into an underground railway
by TerryWalstrom inare you crazy?.
you find yourself 'awake' to the truth about the 'truth' and all you do about it.
is sulk?
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TerryWalstrom
My oldest friend (former) who got me into the cult to begin with once said to me, "Why would I ever want to read anything which would cause me to change my religion?"
I stared at him.
"Well duh--what if every householder whose door you knocked asked you that? What would YOU reply?"
Naturally he deflected. "But, I've already got the Truth."
Exasperated with him and prevented by law from strangling him to death, I said:
"Well, of course, you do. But just think how disappointed this makes me.You were my hero when we first met. Did you know that?
No matter how many questions I could come up with--you were ready with an answer! I was impressed and I wanted to be just like you!
But, I had to read and study and dig in to understand what you were presenting to me as the 'truth.' I had to risk being wrong.
I had to put my ego on the line and make evidence more important than my fear of being wrong about everything. Remember?
And now, after all these years, the tables have turned.
Yes. I didn't stop studying and digging and examining and learning.
You see, I'm not a12-year-old and ignorant of how you pulled off the trick. I know where the false bottom is in the hat where you hid your Watchtower bunny!
You only showed me the truth. You hid the whole truth and nothing but.
And that makes what you have fragile; a house of cards; a matchstick kingdom on a shaky surface. You don't dare touch it or it will topple--and you fear how mighty that fall might be!"
It was exactly at that moment my former best friend shrunk in stature before me. He was just a trickster, intellectually dishonest and fearful his lazy ass might have to start from scratch. He had exposed himself. It wasn't about truth at all. It wasn't about true worship either. He had carved out a place of comfort which allowed him to appear masterful. It was hollow pretense. He'd become an actor reading lines mugging for applause before a witless audience.
Well, it was time for me to stand up and walk out on his performance. He saw the light die in my eyes that day. I made certain of it.
He was exposed.
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7 things we probably should not stop thinking about
by Terry inbelieve what we will, we still live in the real world and what happens to us proceeds from confrontations unavoidable.. the christian scientist can die from an illness which (to him) does not exist.. the hindu can starve to death in a pasture full of sacred cattle.. the jehovah's witness can sell his house and pioneer full time as he tears the pages from his 1975 calendar in exasperation.. and many is the parent who prays for mercy over the child who dies.. to think or not think is our choice.
the content of our thought can be real or illusory.
the progress report comes at the end of each day as we lie in bed and count the costs of our beliefs.. .
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TerryWalstrom
The macadamias are delicious, JT!
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Your explanation for a total contradiction in the New World Translation.
by Johnny Brown in"for if you publicly declare with your mouth that jesus is lord,+ and exercise faith in your heart that god raised him up from the dead, you will be saved.
10 for with the heart one exercises faith for righteousness, but with the mouth one makes public declaration+ for salvation.
11 for the scripture says: no one who rests his faith on him will be disappointed.+
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TerryWalstrom
The Bible reflects accretions over a certain span of time.
By 'accretions,' I mean layers of transitional beliefs superimposed
over each other.
In earliest Christianity, there was mostly Messianic Judaism. Gradually, the pagans who converted (i.e. Gentiles) were absorbed--especially after AD 70. In that space of time the strict monotheism gave way to a light paganization (is that a word?) due to Greek influence (demi-god status). In other words, don't be misled into assuming the Scriptures TEACH ONE WAY and one way only. The Scriptures are a diversity of opinions redacted (and forced) next to each other.
So what?
So you can prove contradictory things by cherry-picking carefully. There is no GESTALT.
Christianity is a patchwork quilt.
Of course, the Bible contradicts itself. You have to be purposefully dull-witted to insist otherwise--and you obviously are not that.
Think of it like this.
What if you asked, "What is the ONE reason for all traffic accidents?"
See what violence that context-forcing does to a "true" answer?
Expecting internally inconsistent opinions to be consistent is a wrongly based presupposition on your part.
Welcome!
