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  Hitchhiking robot embarking on coast-to-coast tour across US

  by TerryWalstrom in

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  hitchhiking robot embarking on coast-to-coast tour across u.s.. .

  did you hear that, honey?

  i dont have time for tv!

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  The inventors have said they wanted to make this HitchBOT as 'friendly' and accessible as possible.

  I think even the voice sounds like a Jim Henson character :)
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  LEFTOVERS and STOLEN LIGHT (An historical look at Watchtower laziness and misadventure)

  by TerryWalstrom in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  should the chosen mouthpiece (gb) be a voice or merely an imitative echo?.

  is new light original (because it is coming direct from jehovah) or is it leftover from the minds of men?.

  watchtower magazine failed to release new light first, before any other religious person or body.

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  The WTS often referenced The Two Babylons and even published and distributed it! The same is true of The Emphatic Diaglott.

  You'd think the GB would be aware of the contents so as to know the source of its arguments.

  And they did, indeed know.

  But, to suddenly pretend to receive a FLASH of light--as though no other origin existed--is deliberate fraud, imho.

  
  
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  To Kill A Mockingbird and Prequel

  by Socrateswannabe in

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  are you a fan of harper lee's "to kill a mockingbird"?

  i read the book as a child and have read it many times since.

  miss lee obviously wrote the book to entertain us, and she accomplished that.

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  TerryWalstrom

  I loved it. Beautifully written.

  This book is closer to the 'truth' about her own father. In TKAM, Atticus was patterned after her sister, not her dad.

  This book is placed AFTER the events of TKAM. It's not really a prequel.
  The politically correct crowd have tried to torpedo this novel and I think that is a terrible shame.

  Judge this book by its own merits. It's impossible to have an opinion about a book you haven't read.
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  LEFTOVERS and STOLEN LIGHT (An historical look at Watchtower laziness and misadventure)

  by TerryWalstrom in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  should the chosen mouthpiece (gb) be a voice or merely an imitative echo?.

  is new light original (because it is coming direct from jehovah) or is it leftover from the minds of men?.

  watchtower magazine failed to release new light first, before any other religious person or body.

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  TerryWalstrom

  Should the chosen mouthpiece (GB) be a Voice or merely an imitative Echo?

  Is New Light original (because it is coming direct from Jehovah) or is it leftover from the minds of men?

  Watchtower Magazine failed to release New Light FIRST, before any other religious person or body. How can that be?

  May 15th, 1995, Watchtower magazine carried a two-part study article recounting instances in the history of the Society when "New Light" flashed before them as the mouthpiece of God.

  The Subject of Christmas celebrations and the new understanding of its pagan origins was revealed:

  “Shortly thereafter, a flash of light caused the Bible Students to stop celebrating Christmas. Before that time Christmas had always been celebrated by the Bible Students worldwide, and its celebration at Brooklyn headquarters was a very festive occasion. But then it was discerned that the observance of December 25 was actually pagan and was chosen by apostate Christendom to make it easier to convert pagans.”

  “Shortly thereafter” is in reference to the year 1926. This New Light must have come first through

  this select body of True Believers, right? Wrong!

  Alexander Hislop had published his peculiar book, The Two Babylons, a whopping 75 years prior to the time the Bible Students suddenly flashed on the truth about Christmas, in which Hislop painstakingly sought to build an argument about the Babylonish character of Christmas.

  Three quarters of a century delay? How embarassing!

  What else did this 1995 Watchtower article identify as New Light channeled through Jehovah's specially "selected channel"?

  “For many years the Bible Students made the cross prominent as a symbol of Christianity. They even had a “cross-and-crown” pin… For decades this symbol also appeared on the cover of the Watch Tower magazine. The book Riches, published by the Society in 1936, made clear that Jesus Christ was executed, not on a cross, but on an upright pole, or stake.”

  Yet, in 1858 Alexander Hislop used the same reasoning and examples to put forward the same conclusions as the "New Light" of 1936 in the Watchtower. Why fail to credit Hislop's jump start on this conclusion? Why claim it as their special revelation?

  The plot thickens, however!

  Even in their own errors about the "meaning" of scriptures the Watchtower fails to be first in releasing and understanding either New Light or its later revised "correction"!

  “A bright flash of light was seen in 1962 in connection with Romans 13:1…The early Bible Students understood that “the higher powers” mentioned there referred to worldly authorities. They took this scripture to mean that if a Christian was drafted in wartime, he would be obligated to put on a uniform, shoulder a gun, and go to the front, to the trenches. It was felt that since a Christian could not kill a fellow human, he would be compelled to fire his gun into the air if worst came to worst. The Watchtower of November 15 and of December 1, 1962, shed clear light on the subject…”

  This 1962 flash of light corrected--not the Bible Students understanding--but, the wacky false New Light by Watchtower Society's President J.F.Rutherford!

  Commenting on Romans 13:1 in the July 1st, 1931, Watchtower, Rutherford said:

  “Until quite recently God’s people understood…that this scripture has reference to worldly ruling powers. Those who have withdrawn from the Society still hold this wrongful view. Now, however, the faithful remnant clearly see that this scripture has no reference to any part of Satan’s organization but does apply exclusively to God’s arrangement in his organization for his own people. Those who refuse to see this truth and who oppose the statement of The Watch Tower concerning it have seized upon such as an excuse and have dropped out and have gone into the dark.”

  Wow! A double whammy of error and never the first to get it right!

  Let's review another instance of real foot-dragging coming to a flash of New Light.

  Until 1973 Bethel did not prohibit smokers from becoming baptized Jehovah’s Witnesses.

  That changed with a flash of light. Watchtower’s new light classified casual smokers in the same category as practicing fornicators, greedy persons, idolaters, revilers, drunkards and extortioners, which were the sorts of persons the inspired apostle said, should be removed from the congregation.

  The Mormon leader Brigham Young, however, beat Jehovah's Anointed channel to this New Light in 1833's Words of Wisdom revealed by the Lord Himself!

  Add to this the fact the Pastor Russell merely adopted 2nd Adventist's peculiar theories that Jesus

  had already returned invisibly and Pyramidologist's crackpot ideas about the Great Pyramid revealing 1914 as the Armageddon of the bible!

  Should we feel embarassed that the Faithful and Discreet Slave do NOT give Jehovah's domestics "food at the proper time" because they only serve LEFTOVERS?
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  Hitchhiking robot embarking on coast-to-coast tour across US

  by TerryWalstrom in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  hitchhiking robot embarking on coast-to-coast tour across u.s.. .

  did you hear that, honey?

  i dont have time for tv!

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  Lemme know what you think, tim310rd!
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  TESTING Watchtower claims of "progressive truth" against actual history

  by Terry in

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  2. scandals

  proving watchtower malfeasance.

  to catch the governing body in a big, fat lie, we must compare the excuse given for changing previous teachings against actual watchtower history and publications.

  are changes in doctrine progressive by adding to understandingorare they regressive, merely repeating exactly what was previously taught?.

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  I stated in the O.P.: The real reasons for the un-called-for change in 1929 have never been explained by the Society.

  
  

  I should have added the word "truthfully."

  
  

  Here is an explanation which isn't really explaining--it is deflecting.

  
  

  
  

  "In 1929, at a time when laws of various governments were beginning to forbid things that God commands or demand things that God’s laws forbid, it was felt that the higher powers must be Jehovah God and Jesus Christ. This was the understanding Jehovah’s servants had during the crucial period before and during World War II and on into the Cold War, with its balance of terror and its military preparedness. Looking back, it must be said that this view of things, exalting as it did the supremacy of Jehovah and his Christ, helped God’s people to maintain an uncompromisingly neutral stand throughout this difficult period." Watchtower 1996 May 1 p.13

  
  

  In effect, "We distorted the true intent of scripture and it had a positive effect, so--we get a free pass."
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  CAUGHT IN THE ACT OF LYING: True teaching cannot become Old Light if it becomes New Light again afterward.

  by TerryWalstrom in

  1. watchtower
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  watchtower governing body leadership directly impacts 7 million members earth wide.

  would he change a true teaching?

  up to that point christians have obeyed the command at romans 13:1: "let every soul be in subjection to the superior authorities.

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  http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/superior-authorities.php

  ""In 1929, at a time when laws of various governments were beginning to forbid things that God commands or demand things that God’s laws forbid, it was felt that the higher powers must be Jehovah God and Jesus Christ. This was the understanding Jehovah’s servants had during the crucial period before and during World War II and on into the Cold War, with its balance of terror and its military preparedness. Looking back, it must be said that this view of things, exalting as it did the supremacy of Jehovah and his Christ, helped God’s people to maintain an uncompromisingly neutral stand throughout this difficult period." Watchtower 1996 May 1 p.13"

  
  
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  WATCHTOWER AND BULLSHIT VIEWS ON SCIENCE (THE WATCHTOWER JUNE 2015)

  by TerryWalstrom in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the watchtower june 2015 (bullshit).

  the latest watchtower (online at j-dub dot argh!

  ) features a hilarious article.

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  While the Watchtower does not often inform, it never fails to entertain!
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  Hitchhiking robot embarking on coast-to-coast tour across US

  by TerryWalstrom in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  hitchhiking robot embarking on coast-to-coast tour across u.s.. .

  did you hear that, honey?

  i dont have time for tv!

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  TerryWalstrom

  I dreamed last night that a group of Apostates actually built an

  anti-J W HitchBOT and placed it outside one of the District Conventions.
  Now that is an exciting idea; especially if there was a hidden video recorder to permanently record the fun:)
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  Confusion about annointed

  by Diogenesister in

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  mashiach means messiah which means annointed or christos, christ.

  messiah =annointed =christ.

  governing body is annointed = is messiah = is christ .

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  The secret teaching called the "Mystery Doctrine" about the anointed as “The Christ,” has never been discussed publically since the death of JF Rutherford, but which, equally, has not been repudiated either, teaches that the word "Christ" refers to a Person, the One we know as Jesus, but the expression "The Christ" has been invested with a separate, deeper meaning. It refers to the "Christ Class" those making up the 14,000 plus Jesus .

  Writing in his book, "Apocalypse Delayed" Penton tells us:

  "The Mystery, as understood by Pastor C.T. Russell, meant not only had Jesus offered himself as a ransom sacrifice for mankind, but the body of Christ, the 144,000 members of his church also participated in the ransoming and atoning work" [pg 40]

  He went on to say :

  "Pastor Russell divined the mediator for the New Covenant was "the Christ" and that expression meant the 144,000 actually participated in Christ's sacrifice for the world" [pg 187 of "Apocalypse Delayed"]

  Going back to Russell’s day, the original idea was a distinction between "Christ," who is Jesus, and "the Christ," which is composed of Head (Jesus) and Body (all spirit-begotten Christians).

  In Rutherford's day, those who partake of the bread and wine belong to "the Christ" and who share in the glory of Christ (the mystery doctrine).

  But wait! In the 1950s or 1960s, there was "new light" that claimed that there is no distinction between "Christ" and "the Christ" in the Bible, and so they got rid of the latter expression.

  Note: Rather than giving up the concept, they simply changed "the Christ" to "the anointed", and they continue to claim that the 144,000 has a special position vis-a-vis the "great crowd" (e.g. the latter are "saved" by the former through association with them).

  Edmund Gruss, in his book "The Four Presidents Of The WTS," devotes an entire chapter to this teaching. He recounts meeting Freddy Franz, who when asked to elaborate on this teaching, refused to do so, unless Gruss admitted to being of the "anointed" This reaction indicate the secretive nature of the teaching as maintained by the WTS, and the way it is viewed by those claiming to be of the "Anointed."

  Comparing translation renderings

  Colossians 1:27

  Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

  27 to whom God did will to make known what [is] the riches of the glory of this secret among the nations -- which is Christ in you, the hope of the glory

  NEW WORLD TRANSLATION read a little differently:

  27 to whom God has been pleased to make known among the nations the glorious riches of this sacred secret,+ which is Christ in union with you, the hope of [his glory] **

  Fred Franz felt the inclusion of "his" in brackets [As in "The hope of [his] glory"] was needed to complete the sense. With that innocent and unobtrusive insertion into the text, Franz shifted the expectation of the anointed from glory in the abstract, to the glory that belongs to Christ exclusively. In a sense therefore, taking on His Glory, they become Him, hence correctly termed "The Christ"

  Gruss unearthed the WT of June 15, 1911: "This Christ is composed of many members. This age will end when the full number of the "elect" shall have been found and tested. Then the body will have been completed. When the Messiah is complete, The Christ will be complete" [reprints, pg 4841]

  The last public statement made about this teaching was back in 1927 in "The Harp of God", JFR's opus. This is what he said [pg 202]: "The Christ is a composite body made up of many members" He argued that it was through "this Christ" and not the Person we know as Jesus Christ, that the blessings to humankind must come.

  Duane Magnani, who also made a study of this doctrine mentions that in the WT of 15 June 1942, [pg 188] the R&F were cautioned not to call the anointed "the Christ" publicly—yet-- he says, the teaching was never officially repudiated. It has been retained to this day, but secretly.

  **In the brand new NWT the brackets have been dropped and the word "his" has been absorbed into the translated text.