Pharisees are still with us!
I should have emphasized the connotation of "hypocrisy" and Pharisees.
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Governing Body of Pharisees
by TerryWalstrom inhttps://docs.google.com/document/d/1qqef4vifauxvdqrd8oemaue-4mjf2xh8-dt94-qvsbm/edit?usp=sharing.
governing body of pharisees.
alexander (the great) and his army swept through palestine on his way to persia.
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The Great Pyramid and the Flood of Noah
by TerryWalstrom inthe great pyramid and the flood of noah.
_________________________________if your world view rests firmly upon the foundation of bible accuracy matching the reality of history, sooner or later you’ll crash into the question of when the great pyramid was built.why?let’s see why…2 peter 3:5-6 complete jewish bible (cjb).
5 but, wanting so much to be right about this, they overlook the fact that it was by god’s word that long ago there were heavens, and there was land which arose out of water and existed between the waters, 6 and that by means of these things the world of that time was flooded with water and destroyed.________________________________________________.
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The Great Pyramid and the Flood of Noah
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If your world view rests firmly upon the foundation of Bible accuracy matching the reality of history, sooner or later you’ll crash into the question of when the Great Pyramid was built.
Why?
Let’s see why…
2 Peter 3:5-6 Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)5 But, wanting so much to be right about this, they overlook the fact that it was by God’s Word that long ago there were heavens, and there was land which arose out of water and existed between the waters, 6 and that by means of these things the world of that time was flooded with water and destroyed.
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The surface of every continent was destroyed and new mountains formed. Thousands of feet of mud and sand were dumped on every continent, burying and fossilizing creatures and plants. Nothing manmade could survive such a catastrophe.
Geologists have found that the pyramid is built on the fossil-bearing rock layers from the Flood of Noah’s day. Clearly, the Flood had to predate a pyramid built on top of the Flood layers.
The Hebrew word translated “Egypt” is Mizraim. Mizraim was Noah’s grandson, born to Ham after the Flood. So Mizraim’s descendants could not have built the Great Pyramid of Egypt (Mizraim) until after the Flood, and for that matter, after the events at the Tower of Babel that caused Mizraim’s family to move to the region of the Nile River.
Physical evidence is presumptive of proof :in order to keep Noah’s flood in the realm of reality, the Great Pyramid must needs be constructed AFTERward.
The secular date for the Great Pyramid must be refuted as an error, and all the pyramids and ziggurats across the world today are necessarily post-Flood construction. It is an either / or proposition.(See Bodie Hodge, Answers in Genesis)
Breakthrough in accurate dating of the Great Pyramid
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In 2000, At the University of Cambridge, a highly precise methodology for determining pyramid dates has convinced astronomers and Egyptologists, the only possible time for the kind of mind-blowing accuracy of construction used for the Great Pyramid would have depended on the alignment of 2 stars; one from the Big Dipper, the other, the Little Dipper.
4,500 years ago, each star was about 10 degrees from the celestial pole which lay directly between them. When one star was exactly above the other in the sky, Egyptian astronomers could find a line that pointed due north. On the Giza Plateau, Khufu's builders oriented his pyramid almost perfectly north. In fact, within .005 degrees accuracy.But the alignment was only true for a few years around 2,500 BC. Before and after that time, the stars deviated from the north-south line and anyone using the stars to plot a direction would have made errors.
And it is these mistakes in alignment in pyramid construction before and after the Great Pyramid that a British Egyptologist now believes can be used to estimate very accurately when the pyramids were built.
Several Pyramids were built for the family of the Pharaoh.Over a span of years, the alignment with true north varies less and less over time until the year of the Great Pyramid’s alignment. Subsequent pyramids built later show alignment becoming less and less accurate afterward. This variance is perfectly explained by the phenomena of 2 stars approaching alignment and passing the point toward less and less.
https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn174-pyramid-precision
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Had Egyptians used only one star, accuracy would have been constant.
Experts thought the ancient Egyptians might have watched a single star circle this imaginary point and aligned their pyramid with the circle’s centre.Alternatively, they might have measured north by tracking the path of the Sun. Either way, the accuracy with which they mastered this should have been about the same during the entire pyramid-building period.
But the accuracy wasn’t constant, Kate Spence of Cambridge University points out. Instead, the alignment of successive pyramids first steadily improved up to the building of the Great Pyramid, then later deteriorated. This makes perfect sense, she says, if the architects were measuring the alignment using not one star, but two: Mizar in Ursa Major (the Big Dipper) and Kochab in Ursa Minor (the Little Dipper).
"We know that the ancient Egyptians were extremely interested in the night sky, particularly the circumpolar stars," she told the BBC.
"These circle around the North Pole, and as you can always see them, the Egyptians always referred to them as 'The Indestructibles'."As a result, they became closely associated with eternity and the king's afterlife. So that after death, the king would hope to join the circumpolar stars - and that's why the pyramids were laid out towards them." (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/1024779.stm)
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Rewinding the astronomical clock using modern computers shows that the two stars rotated around the pole opposite each other in the Old Kingdom sky. In other words, an imaginary line joining the stars passed through the north pole. When the two stars lay vertically above each other, both would mark the position of true north for the pyramid builders.However, due to precession, the line joining Mizar and Kochab only drifted into precise alignment with the north pole in 2467 BC, then wandered away. The orientation of successive pyramids faithfully tracks this drift, Spence says, explaining the rise and fall of north-south alignment precision.
An Egyptian astronomer would have held up a plumb line and waited for the night sky to slowly pivot around the unmarked pole as the Earth rotated.When the plumb line exactly intersected both stars, one about 10 degrees above the invisible pole and the other 10 degrees below it, the sight line to the horizon would aim directly north.
However, the Earth's axis is unstable and wobbles like a gyroscope over a period of 26,000 years. Modern astronomers now know that the celestial north pole was exactly aligned between Kochab and Mizar only in the year 2,467 BC.
Either side of this date, the ancient astronomers trying to find true north would lose some accuracy.
Kate Spence shows that the orientation errors of earlier and later pyramids faithfully track the slow drift of Kochab and Mizar with respect to true north.And because the error in the Kochab-Mizar alignment can be readily calculated for any date, the error in each pyramid's orientation corresponds to a period of several years.
it is now possible to use astronomical records to date the pyramids to the nearest five years. For example, construction of the Great Pyramid at Giza began between 2487 and 2467 BC.Kate Spence
Faculty of Oriental Studies, University of Cambridge, Sidgwick Avenue, Cambridge CB3 9DA, UK
Correspondence to: Kate Spence Correspondence should be addressed to K.S. (e-mail: Email: [email protected]).
NATURE 408, 16 Nov.2000 pp.297-8, Plotting the Pyramids, by Owen Gingerich.
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NOAH’S FLOOD--WHEN DID IT “HAPPEN”?
_____________Establishing a flood date is a matter of where you go and who you ask.
Here is a compilation of sources.
Archbishop James Ussher suggest 2349 as the flood date, the Samaritan Pentateuch has 2998, the Hebrew Bible has 2288, and the Septuagint lists 3246 has the date of the flood.
http://timeline.biblehistory.com/period/noah-and-the-flood 2781.
The Watchtower Society dates Noah's flood to 2370 B.C.E.
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What conclusion can be drawn from the uncertainty of methodology by Christians and Jehovah’s Witnesses in particular in discussions of Noah, the Great Pyramid, and Bible chronology?
Is it likely the Great Pyramid was built BEFORE or AFTER Noah’s flood?
Intellectual dishonesty rears its ugly head again and again.For fun:
However, it should be noted that there are some who say that dinosaur bones and human bones are not found together because dinosaurs did not live in areas of human habitation.--"Awake!," 2/8/90, pp. 4-5.
FIND the DINOSAUR below:Can you spot the drowning dinosaur?
Use of the Great Pyramid in Watchtower teachings was not without duplicity.Source: JWFacts:
Chart of the Ages from Studies in the Scriptures - The Divine Plan
In a monumental display of deceit, when Russell revised his doctrine to focus more on 1914 than 1874, he updated his pyramid measurements in later editions of Thy Kingdom Come to suit his new interpretation. Russell originally used the size of a pyramid to prove that 1874 A.D. marked the beginning of the period of trouble, as shown below in the 1891 edition of Thy Kingdom Come. In the 1911 edition of Thy Kingdom Come, Russell changed the pyramid measurements by 41 inches, to show that 1914 would be the beginning of the time of trouble.
1874 was not removed entirely from Watchtower doctrine until 1943, when a change in how the 6000 years were calculated meant it could no longer be used as the end of the 6000 years. (see God's Kingdom on a Thousand Years Has Approached p.209)
The Watchtower’s excuse for the wrong date of 1874 was: The BIBLE used was inaccurate!
"According to an inaccurate chronology that had been worked out from the King James Authorized Version Bible, Russell calculated Christ's "presence" had begun in the year 1874 C.E., unseen to human eyes and seen only by the eye of faith." Man's Salvation Out Of World Distress At Hand (1975) p.287
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Floods, Dinosaurs, Pyramids, False dates of prophecy, wonky Chronology all mark the history ofIntellectual achievement by Jehovah’s Witnesses and evangelical Christians eager to marry reality with mythos.
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Governing Body of Pharisees
by TerryWalstrom inhttps://docs.google.com/document/d/1qqef4vifauxvdqrd8oemaue-4mjf2xh8-dt94-qvsbm/edit?usp=sharing.
governing body of pharisees.
alexander (the great) and his army swept through palestine on his way to persia.
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TerryWalstrom
I find it interesting that Zadok means Priest.
The group called Benei Sedeq, during the Second Temple period were ancestors of the Karaites.
According to Wikipedia:
Abraham Geiger, a 19th-century German scholar who founded Reform Judaism, posited a connection between the Karaites and a remnant of the Sadducees, the 1st-century Jewish sect that followed the Hebrew Bible literally and rejected the Pharisees' notion of an Oral Torah even before it was written.[9] Geiger's view is based on a comparison between Karaite and Sadducee halakha: for example, a minority in Karaite Judaism does not believe in a final resurrection or afterlife, a position also held by the Sadducees.
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Insignificantly:
Neil Sedaka (a variant of Zadok) is a Turkish Sephardi Jew.
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Governing Body of Pharisees
by TerryWalstrom inhttps://docs.google.com/document/d/1qqef4vifauxvdqrd8oemaue-4mjf2xh8-dt94-qvsbm/edit?usp=sharing.
governing body of pharisees.
alexander (the great) and his army swept through palestine on his way to persia.
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TerryWalstrom
Thanks.
I need to write "something" today and this was all I could come up with :) -
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Governing Body of Pharisees
by TerryWalstrom inhttps://docs.google.com/document/d/1qqef4vifauxvdqrd8oemaue-4mjf2xh8-dt94-qvsbm/edit?usp=sharing.
governing body of pharisees.
alexander (the great) and his army swept through palestine on his way to persia.
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TerryWalstrom
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1qqeF4ViFauxVdQrD8oemAUE-4MJF2xH8-DT94-QVSBM/edit?usp=sharing
Governing Body of Pharisees________________________In 332 B.C.E. Alexander (the Great) and his army swept through Palestine on his way to Persia. After Alexander’s death, two of his generals (Seleucus and Ptolemy) wrested Alexander’s empire and total dominance from local rulers as they grappled with each other ever afterward, with first, one, and then, the other victorious intermittently.While these ambitious and competitive generals fought each other, their territorial holdings changed hands five times during which these regions took advantage of the chaos and ruled themselves more or less autonomously. In particular, the Jews in Jerusalem were tugged and manhandled in extremis. However we define Judaism, it stopped being just one idea or practice. Judaism fractured and splintered and boiled into a stew of many flavors.Complicating matters, internal politics and religious differences stirred the mix._____ASSIMILATION VS. PURITYThe protection offered by Greek military colonies in outposts near Jerusalem and its environs proved irresistible to Jerusalem’s common folk, endangered constantly by raids, intrusions, and upheaval.Eventually, marriage between Jewish women and Greek soldiers was encouraged to foster the spread of Hellenistic culture (which was the Greek way of existentially transforming conquered people.) Note: The assimilation of Greek language and wisdom was devastating to traditional Jewish isolationist ethos. Greek was a much more sophisticated language than Hebrew with “a word for everything.”
The final blow to pure Judaism was the SEPTUAGINT (Greek) version of the Hebrew Scriptures (Old Testament) due to the fact Jews couldn’t read Hebrew anymore.Greek bureaucracy established trading centers and helped assimilated Jews set up thriving businesses with the ultimate goal of taxation and economic well-being. (Economic security discourages anarchy or rebellion.)However--religious fanatics are only interested in purity and separation from polluting outside influences. The High Priest took on a prominence previously unnecessary in matters of politics. Instead of rule by King, priestly aristocrats moved into dominance and influence.A clash between radical religious leaders and Hellenized Jews was inevitable. Disputes led to military intervention from the outside and outright rebellion broke out. (Maccabean Revolt 168-164 B.C.E.)_______CIVIL WARIn the year 168 B.C.E., the Greek king of the Seleucid empire (Antiochus IV) intervened in the Jews’ Civil War between Hellenized Jews and traditional purists. The result of this clash of religion, culture and political ambition was nothing short of a holocaust for the conservatives. 80,000 men, women and children were destroyed or taken captive; the temple desecrated, and the city of Jerusalem itself was ruined.________THE RISE of the PHARISEESThe Maccabee family rulership went from father Simon to son John (called Hyrcanus *ruler) who was selected by Romans as a puppet in the region and recognized as High Priest (instead of a king.) John Hyrcanus had been tutored by the Perushim sect (Pharisees) and his bias leaned their way. He influenced Roman approval of them above the other sects of Judaism.The Pharisaic scholars were recognized by Rome as the governing body for the internal life of the Jewish people, so the Pharisees became a party with political power as well as religious influence. Judaism that emerged and survived was primarily Pharisaic Judaism.For monotheistic Jews, purity of worship was thrown into a crisis of monumental proportions. Judaism disagreed on how to survive and split into three main groups in reaction to the invasion._______EMERGING SECTS of JUDAISM1. The Essenes fled from Jerusalem and founded a hermetic community at Qumran near the Dead Sea all about purifying themselves of contact with the outside world. These “monks” isolated themselves in a contest of purity in diet and sexual abstinence, “holier-than-thou” to the point of self-extinction. These monks believed their personal interpretations were guided by God Himself. Essenes adopted only the solar calendar, unlike the Pharisees and Sadducees who used a combination of lunar and solar. (Essenes had a seething contempt for the puppet ruler John Hyrcanus.)Note: the famous Dead Sea Scrolls originated with this sect. Essenes considered themselves the “Teacher of Righteousness” among Jews.2. Perushim or Pharisees embraced the Oral Torah (from memory) and favored molding the law to novel situations as they arose. Traditions (interpretations) were approved by Pharisees and promoted, some would say, intrusively. Pharisees used a methodology taught in rabbinical school by which interpretation was to be applied to the Oral Torah.These men were middle class and lower echelon citizens in their society (blue collar Jews) before assuming the role of the governing body. Because of the “oral” nature of the Torah--teachers (rabbi) became necessary among the people. Among Pharisees, the idea of an afterlife of reward and punishment sprung up as well as a Messiah as kind of second David, to usher in world peace.3. Sadducees trusted the written version of the law, resisting constant interpretations, and rejecting the Oral Torah or Talmud. Surprisingly, these elite members of Jewish society were opportunistic enough to embrace the positive changes brought in through Greek influence, business, and world trade. Sadducees rejected the novel Pharisaic notions of an afterlife of reward and punishment. This life is all there is and Jews must make the most of whatever opportunities that arise. The Sadducees made up half of the Sanhedrin (Court) along with Pharisees deciding matters of jurisprudence, often at odds with one another.Note: Sadducees is derived from ZADOK-ees or Priests. As in Melchi (king)zadok (priest)._____In the 1st century, Jesus was chastised by Pharisees for associating with bad companions.Paul studied to become a Pharisee. Jesus, you might say, was violating “Bad associations spoil useful habits,” asserted by the Apostle Paul.Jesus embraced prostitutes, tax collectors, and the non-pious.Sadducees accepted only the written law and rejected the interpretations (traditions). Sadducees rejected the angelology and demonology which had developed by Pharisees.Jesus constantly dealt with and preach about demons.(See: Backgrounds of Early Christianity by Everett Ferguson)_________________The Governing Body of Jehovah’s WitnessesA misreading of history is to be expected of Jehovah’s Witnesses.It is nowhere more evident than the idea that Almighty God needs a puppet government on earth like that established by Rome in the time of the Maccabeans.Christianity eventually created a replacement for all things Judaism which had fractured into sects.Most of Jesus’ ministry was spent in a debate with the ruling hierarchy of his religion of birth, Judaism. The Governing Body of Judaism considered its own interpretations superior to the written word, let it be recalled. Jesus constantly clashed with this point of view and with elitist attitudes of entitlement to lord it over fellow believers for their own good.When Rome finally stepped in and stamped its foot on Jerusalem, the Pharisees found themselves out of a job, the Essenes were gone with the desert wind and Sadducees headed into Diaspora.Interestingly, if you trace the name Perusha from which Pharisee is derived, the preponderance is found in Russia. We know from history the empire split into the Greek city of Constantinople/ Italian Rome. The fall of Rome in the 5th century left only Constantinople until 1453 C.E. By then, Orthodox Christianity had absorbed much of the trappings of Pharisee traditions and outward trappings.Today’s Governing Body of JW’s has carried Pharisee tradition into the homes of devout purists around the globe waiting for the next cosmic interpretation of what Oral Christianity “really means.”Indeed, the Christian Greek Scriptures can trace to no original documents and has been culled and collated by a series of filters (Early Church Fathers) deciding what is included and excluded.Early Church Fathers acted as a crucible for clashing ideas of who or what Jesus was/is and the New Testament is nothing more or less than the pulp from that pressurized pounding by Gnostics, Roman Catholics, Messianic Christians, and Platonic philosophers the first two hundred years or so. It took the imprimatur of a sun worshipping Roman general (Constantine) to coalesce competing forces into a written document both official and eternal.How long will Watchtower survive? The centralized authority of Jehovah’s Witnesses is precarious. Self-aggrandized doctrine purports to validate their Governing Body as a shadow of early Christianity as described in the Book of Acts. Except it doesn’t.Even a casual reading of the clash between Paul and Peter and the “chain of command” reveals Paul as a Lone Ranger figure exempt from the other apostles and distinct in teaching.Judaism is still with us for all the thrashing and trashing of history. It is fractured into sects as always.Christianity is subsumed by 40K sects, denominations, churches, and congregations under a generalization of “Jesus” yet separately and definitively understood differently.One thing is certain--everywhere you look.Pharisees are still with us!_____________________
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Return of the Dub (plus surprise guest)
by TerryWalstrom inreturn of the dub (plus surprise guest)dealing with just one frisky, bright-eyed jehovah’s witness is a handful.one on one is manageable.
two jw’s is more like juggling chainsaws or french kissing alligators.i had a return visit the other day and now, the jw was returning the 2nd time, but with another dub.what would my strategy be?
that’s how the day was spent.
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TerryWalstrom
I plan never to argue doctrine, scripture, or exegesis because you can't establish one OPINION over another OPINION.
I have to navigate around the rocks and off the shoals.
The minute a JW opens a Bible or reaches for a Watchtower it is a losing proposition because their magisterium is eisegesis.
I will dance around the usual arguments about the Trinity and such. As a matter of fact--I've had it up to "here" with the idea of debating dogma. I did that when I was younger and that's how I ended up older :) -
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Return of the Dub (plus surprise guest)
by TerryWalstrom inreturn of the dub (plus surprise guest)dealing with just one frisky, bright-eyed jehovah’s witness is a handful.one on one is manageable.
two jw’s is more like juggling chainsaws or french kissing alligators.i had a return visit the other day and now, the jw was returning the 2nd time, but with another dub.what would my strategy be?
that’s how the day was spent.
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TerryWalstrom
I know what you mean about time wasting.
But I have had one big successful intervention.
I can't give you his actual name. He's still inside and in good stead. He's not ready to have his JW family disown him. But he is fully awake and very intelligent about his research, his questions, and the conclusions. ALL OF WHICH began when I walked over to him as he witnessed to a workmate.
I'm very very grateful I did that. It meant the difference between one life and another for this young man.
He comes to see me every week. We talk about life. We play chess sometimes. We go for a bite to eat. He's like a son to me. ALL BECAUSE I got up and walked over and interrupted his life with sunlight.
I'm driven by the slim notion this could happen again. Why? It is an undefinable "feeling" about Earl. At the risk of sounding like a lunatic, I'll compare it to the tingle you get when you see somebody you think you're falling in love with. Yeah yeah--I know, I know--a stupid analogy. (I'm not gay.)
Yet, it's mysterious and almost inevitable--except nothing but death is inevitable. It is a magic only possible IF YOU ACT and say the right things and do the right things.
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Return of the Dub (plus surprise guest)
by TerryWalstrom inreturn of the dub (plus surprise guest)dealing with just one frisky, bright-eyed jehovah’s witness is a handful.one on one is manageable.
two jw’s is more like juggling chainsaws or french kissing alligators.i had a return visit the other day and now, the jw was returning the 2nd time, but with another dub.what would my strategy be?
that’s how the day was spent.
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TerryWalstrom
My take on Bill was a whole lot different after the evening was over than before.
He had an Observer/Scientist vibe going on. All the JW's I grew up with would have taken the reins. Something different happened last night.
I doubt there is a new policy. I don't think it is personality either. The paranoid side of me (which occurs when I'm in the company of Da Bruthas) brings that out in me--sort of like having a squad car pull up beside you at a red light. You know that feeling?
I begin to wonder..."Do they know I'm Apostate and are reconnoitering?
Nobody put up even a moderate pushback.
Is this the NEW freestyle technique?What's really going on?
If I ever hear back I might get more info. I know a young brother still in who is awake. I asked him if he knew these Brothers. He doesn't. He's going to try and find out something. It's good to have a mole :) -
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Return of the Dub (plus surprise guest)
by TerryWalstrom inreturn of the dub (plus surprise guest)dealing with just one frisky, bright-eyed jehovah’s witness is a handful.one on one is manageable.
two jw’s is more like juggling chainsaws or french kissing alligators.i had a return visit the other day and now, the jw was returning the 2nd time, but with another dub.what would my strategy be?
that’s how the day was spent.
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TerryWalstrom
That made me laugh, Anders. Thanks.
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Another Hollywood Memory
by TerryWalstrom inanother hollywood memory____________________“thanks for the pink chablis, marta.
who’s that singing?
sounds familiar.”.
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TerryWalstrom
I'm devoting much of my writing time to capturing moments which include people I've known and interacted with significant to my "journey" through life. Just getting it down on a page makes it seem "archived" in some small sense.
I've been working on turning all this into my next book. I've wanted to steal the title to humorist Jack Douglas' book: "A Funny Thing Happened to Me on my way to the grave."