Posts by Defianttruth

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I had some fun today.

by Defianttruth in

i took the kids to a park at the center of our town today.

i say some inappropriately dressed people, and decided to investigate.

i keep a close eye on people at the play ground who don't fit in.

Defianttruth

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A few questions when they say" The light gets brighter"

by Defianttruth in

god is the alpha and omega.

he created everything from the vast universe to small quarks.

he created the human beings with 23 pairs of chromosomes with 4x10^171 possible variations (that's a 4 with 171 zeroes behind it) he created complex emotions and abstract thoughts.

God is the Alpha and Omega. He created everything from the vast Universe to small quarks. He created the human beings with 23 pairs of chromosomes with 4x10^171 possible variations (that's a 4 with 171 zeroes behind it) He created complex emotions and abstract thoughts. Something mankind still can not duplicate with the most complex computing devices. He has harnessed the power of fusion. He has been able to preserve and keep accurate a 6000 year old text meandering through generations of language and cultural changes. He is truly an awesome being.

Yet some how, he can't clearly communicate through an individual or group of individuals in New York. He has a life saving message for mankind yet he is unable to clearly publish it through his own earthly organization he commissioned. A human could easily accomplish this task.

If the CEO of Ford Motor Company gave an important, simple address to his board to pass to all of his employees and they failed in this attempt they would be fired immediately. No matter how ernest they were in their duties.

The WBTS wrote in their literature angels direct the writing of the publications. Ask honestly why have the publications been wrong. Is a powerful, instrument of an awesome God incapable of passing along a simple message. The question has to be asked. Who lied the angel directing the writings or the person doing the writing? This is a circular argument which needs no answer. If the messenger lied, it proves they are imbedded with the spirit of deceit and Satan, or the writer lied and is propagating lies marking him as the source of evil and ally of the Devil. Answers A and B both arrive at the same conclusion.

Sometimes, people of power only release small portions of information at a time to control their organization. I have had to do this in my own business life. I only tell what is needed to be known to control money, personal, and attitudes until the appropriate time. This is how the light gets brighter. It is a tool used by people everyday. The perfect example is educating ones children about sex. An individual wouldn't start with every detail to his or her two year old child, but as their knowledge and mental processes develop we add information. We don't tell them false information, after false information and then try to give them the correct information in the end. So the "light gets brighter doesn't work here".

Remember the light gets brighter. It doesn't change colors.

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What do you mean?! I ALWAYS go to the beach after service and wear long pants and button up shirts while I play a game in the sand with my family! Sometimes I wear button up long sleeve shirts too!

by Crisis of Conscience in

the wts likes to imply how jws should dress in and outside of the hall.

you always want to set an example.. so i couldn't help but share this beauty in the january 15th, 2013, study edition of the watchtower.

i always go to the beach like this!

Defianttruth

I live in a small beach town in florida. Every weekend the family and I blast off in the boat for an island about 15 miles away. The same people show up and its a very family friendly atmosphere. The dress code is very relaxed to include a few topless ladies here and there. This place is not like a party cove with a bunch of drunk teenagers making fools of themselves.

What's important about this? Well, we have been going here for 3 years surrounded by a relaxed dress code and contrary to WBTS publications, no ones been raped, no godless orgies, none of the husbands have been lured away by the skimpily clad women, and nothing but a good family time has take place. Could it be that when an approach of maturity is taken about sexuality and the human body, individuals can control all of their impulses without a totalitarian regime pushing false beliefs on people? The answer is yes. What do the Jdubs do in countries where beach attire and custom is less than puritan?

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I had some fun today.

by Defianttruth in

i took the kids to a park at the center of our town today.

i say some inappropriately dressed people, and decided to investigate.

i keep a close eye on people at the play ground who don't fit in.

Defianttruth

I wrote the original post last night after taking my dosage of Ambien. Imagine my horror to wake up this morning and read my poorly written post of my evening yesterday. I write a whole lot better when my brain is not shut down by prescription medications. The funny thing is I do all kinds of stuff at night while on Ambien. I eat, do projects for work, email friends and family incoherent letters of nonsense, and clean the kitchen.

A few clarifications. The young teenage boy with the Large German Lady, was I believe her son. She was pitching her message of evil to one of the other parents there. As far as her son goes, he might at least questions his mothers motives. I caught her in a straight lie. On JW.org, they publish some pretty strange stuff. It makes probably a better anti-witnessing tool than they could imagine. No one would be interested if they read the troubling stuff first. Here's how it usually works.

"Hey, we're an everyday normal religion. We love Jesus, family, and our neighbors. We are the most happy people on earth"

"Really I thought you guys were weirdoes who believed in all kinds of crazy stuff?"

"No, just normal everyday stuff let me spend the next six months building a relationship of trust with you and make you feel like family while I slowly indoctrinate you on the easy to swallow stuff"

"Okay"

"Then, I'll shove some really outlandish stuff down your throat, and if you don't accept then I will alienate you and tell you if you don't accept you will displease Almighty God whom I have a direct connection with"

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I had some fun today.

by Defianttruth in

i took the kids to a park at the center of our town today.

i say some inappropriately dressed people, and decided to investigate.

i keep a close eye on people at the play ground who don't fit in.

Defianttruth

I took the kids to a park at the center of our town today. I say some inappropriately dressed people, and decided to investigate. I keep a close eye on people at the play ground who don't fit in. It was a large German lady who was wearing sunday best showing literature to others with a young preteen boy. I played stupid for a while and asked a few questions with the group of customers these had cornered in the park. I asked her what was her religions stance on treating people who decided to change their minds and leave. She explained that they would shun a former member by not even talking to them. I asked what about family. She said lovingly Jehovah still allows for individuals to carry on normal relationships with family when practical. I asked for a less generalized answer. She said that if the family member no longer lived with them it is the practice to shun them completely, but this is only a personal choice and not a mandate. I asked her if she had studied the watchtower publications and was thoroughly knowledgeable as to their content. She answered yes. I asked her if we could use her Iphone to review what recent Watchtower Article had stated. She turned white as a ghost. By now , a large group of people had started to gather. She said no because she did not want to hand her phone over to a stranger. I said I have one lets see whats been said in the past few years. I had her read the articles from my phone out loud so everyone could hear. I would then ask does this sound like a mandate or a personal matter. She didn't have to .Everyone in attendance said mandate. I then said " I would never follow a religion that tried to enlist individuals with lies". I turned around and walked away. Every time she would have someone interested I would go back and show them what is truly written in the magazines. Most people were astounded and said stay away, I don't want anything to do with that.

So my Big German Gal, calls over the local deputy and tells him I am harassing her. The deputy looked worried. He pulled me to the side to ask me what my relationship was with the woman. I answered none. I have never met her before. I am just showing everyone what her religion actually teaches. I am just showing the people she is trying to convert to her religion the evil that is in it. He asked me what religion and I answered Jehovah Witnesses. He laughed and said I've never had one call of the non JW being the harasser. He said good job those people irritate the mess out of me. He asked the lady did I threaten her in any way and she said no. He told her it was public property and if someone wants to disagree with her message, they are more than welcome to. I told the deputy thanks and the Big German lady stomped off not even returning my friendly go in peace and love salutation. People laughed at her until she left she looked completely idiotic.

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I had some fun today.

by Defianttruth in

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Why 607 b.c.e. and 1914 c.e. are utterly true, correct and beyond question!

by Terry in

and, by the way, what we said about russell being the "faithful and wise servant"......?.

to get money (for jehovah's work, of course) we are now prepared to hint and insinuate when armageddon will happen and this time we will be 100% accurate.

we got that part right.. .

Defianttruth

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Long time listener first time caller

by Defianttruth in

i would like to thank everyone who is a part of this community.

i have been abused by this billion dollar evil religion since i was born.

i am now in my late thirties and have been battling depression issues over my former abuses by this nongoverment organization.

Defianttruth

To everyone: I would like to offer a big thank you. The welcomes are great. It is nice to be accepted by people who I enjoy a commonality. I feel so welcomed. I have read here for years and its nice to finally be a full member. This webpage has helped me through some dark times. Question for those abused by your JW parents. Did your parents treat you and your siblings the same. I don't know why I was singled out. It is the hardest part of moving on. Why me and not everybody. Not that I wanted my siblings to be beaten, I just want to know why I was singled out.

Paintedtoenail: Thank you for such great advice. I don't know why I never asked my wife to read the issues of other former members. I think she may be able to see some normalcy in my attitude now. I think a thread for spouses, friends, and family could be helpful.

ThisFellowCheap: Please write away. It is rare to find a mathematical mind with an artistic heart. Where are you studying? What are you going to write your thesis on? I wrote mine on commonalities of force equations. I found it thought provoking with electrical and gravitational forces the math turns out to be familiar across the lines. While there is no way to draw a connection between the two forces it is thought provoking how the behavior of the mathematics form along common lines. I think of it as Gods own "Copy Cut and Paste" I didn't mention the God thing in my Thesis, but I always was amazed by the similarities.

I'm still interested in gravitational attractions at great distances. When we use Newtonian Physics to review objects at a distance we use. f=g{(m1*m2)/Rsquared}. IF we set the limit of R to infinity we find the limit DNE. This always fascinated me. No matter how small we are or how far away we are we have an impact on every object in the universe. It makes me feel connected.

BillytheEx-Bethelite: I personally know of only one ExJW who is not successful. He never could break Meth, but statistically I am sure that is a very low number. They always like to tell you the world is a horrible place because they can't afford to tell the truth.

Blindersoff1: What helped me the most was I found a great mentor who spent some time with me to point me in a solid direction. Find someone you admire and start talking to them. A basic component of humanity is the desire to help others. The WBTS teaches to help only those who are a part of your club or who want to be in it. It may take some time to get around this. Find someone, research them and talk. It helps. For me, I found it life saving to find a good partner. I have to be honest and say I found mine by luck. I have no idea how it happened, but I'm glad I won that lottery.

DreamGolfer: I live in a small beach community in the Florida Panhandle. We have some great golf here.

Love2Bworldly: I'll check out The Child Called It. Thanks for breaking your year of silence for me.

jemba: Thanks. I'm sorry for your hurt. It's nice to have a focus, but don't let it consume you. If it does they win.

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Long time listener first time caller

by Defianttruth in

i would like to thank everyone who is a part of this community.

i have been abused by this billion dollar evil religion since i was born.

i am now in my late thirties and have been battling depression issues over my former abuses by this nongoverment organization.

Defianttruth

I don't blame my parents. I think of them as ill-equipped adults who were lied to. I think they were people living in abject poverty who were the lowest of the caste. The religion offered them away to no longer be at the bottom and to have an excuse for their failures. In a crazy way, I still love them. I think it would be unnatural to not have feelings for my parents. I see them as victims worse than myself. I was able to escape and they are trapped in their ignorance. I wish them the best and would love to see my brothers and sisters again. It's been so long.

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Long time listener first time caller

by Defianttruth in

i would like to thank everyone who is a part of this community.

i have been abused by this billion dollar evil religion since i was born.

i am now in my late thirties and have been battling depression issues over my former abuses by this nongoverment organization.

Defianttruth

I would like to thank everyone who is a part of this community. I have been abused by this billion dollar evil religion since I was born. I am now in my late thirties and have been battling depression issues over my former abuses by this nongoverment organization. I find deep solace in being able to come here and be among former members as myself.

I was raised dirt-road-poor in the Southern United States in the famous Bible Belt. My parents were southern hippies who became Jehovah's Witnesses in their early twenties. I had an awesome childhood for about the first 6 years of my life. I was raised in a very rural area that came equipped with my very own Hundred Acre Forest. I would spend almost everyday exploring the woods by myself. It truly was a magical time for me. At the age of 6, my elementary school sent a letter home saying that I excelled in academics and should be evaluated for advanced placement. My parents who never took an interest in me reading replied "Academics were of no concerned for us because the end was near and we would trust in Jehovah for the education we received." At the end of my First Grade Year, I was reading on a 6th Level. My parents did not allow me to go to Kindergarten because at the time it was not mandatory. I do not remember, but I may have taught myself to read before I went to school. It was at this point in my life that everything changed. I remember reading Deuteronomy 18:22 and thinking,"O my God everything they are teaching is false. I don't know if you have ever kept a 20 year secret, but it is a weight no child should have to carry.

My parents were both Jr. High drop outs with my father having a very bad case of dyslexia. When it was discovered that I was academically gifted, my father pinned all of his Super-Bethalite-Pioneer-Elder-hopes on me. I honestly think he wanted me to be the JW elite he could never become. It was like a switch was turned on and I was beaten severely for noncompliance until I out grew him in my teenage years. Notice the word beaten was used here, not spanked there is a difference. A spanking is when a child is popped for bad behavior. I was beaten with a leather whip until I was rendered unconscious. I was not knocked out, but I was whipped with a light, high velocity strip of leather until my brain could not process the pain anymore and turned itself off. I can't tell you what it is like to live in constant fear of this kind of treatment for years on end. I would wake up from being unconscious and be read Watchtower Literature so my father could justify his treatment of me. I had two choices. I could be honest, or I could survive. I chose what I now consider to be the cowards choice of survival.

In the 8th grade, I was asked to attend a private university with a full scholarship. My mother's answer was to trust Jehovah and not to rely on worldly understandings. In the wake of the attack on my mother and father's control on me, I was quickly shoved into baptism as one of Jehovah's Witnesses. I've seen people here before state any disfellowshipped person is in their situation because of a choice they made. I get infuriated when ignorant people of the cult post such comments of huge ignorance. I've been knocked out for untied shoes. As a child am I supposed to tell this man his main focus in life is horrendously evil? I shudder even at the thought of this. I was forced to join this cult. I never had a choice.

At the age of 16, my PO asked me to go to the gym and help him work out. He was a great guy and we would spend about 2 hours a day working out. During one of these workout sessions, I told him about my disbeliefs. He was so awesome and was completely nonjudgemental about the whole situation. He told me to pray and ask for help. He never told my dad. I was so thankful to have a balanced adult man in my life. I still love him for it. He sobbed like a baby when he disfellowshipped me. I really miss him. The good news is I went from 120 pounds to 200 pounds in two years. One day at 18, my dad tried to hit me. I grabbed his fist and neck slammed him into the floor with a warning to never touch me again and he never did. The abusers of little boys need to remember one day they will grow to men. I could have crushed him, but knew that I never wanted to be the kind of man he is.

After I finished High School, I took a scholarship offer two hours away and started my strategic fade. It was against my whole family including my grandparents, siblings, parents, and cousins that I attended college. I had a great time in college. It was nice to be in an organization with reasonable standards. I still am pretty socially awkward, but getting better. My fade was going as planned and everything was going my way for about the next five years. I received a BEE (Electrical Engineering) from Purdue and started working on my Masters In Physics from FSU. I had a wonderful time and met a beautiful young woman whom I knocked up a few months later. When word got back to my local family that we were pregnant the word flew like wildfire and the elders soon found out. I was called in from 8 hrs away to be disfellowshipped. I didn't think of it at the time but it has really gotten to me in the last few years. I didn't get to see my grandparents before their deaths and I missed the births of my siblings children. I haven't spoken to my family in ten years. It is like they all died. I really wish I could reconcile with my father. I feel I need to before he dies. I've lost every family member I have ever had and every friend I grew up with. The pain is astronomical.

The good news is the young woman I knocked up and I have been married for 8 years and have two beautiful children together. I love her with my whole heart, but she doesn't understand the pain I feel from my life of abuse from my parents and my "cult". This website helps me when I see others who are in the same boat. I went on to get my PhD and started my own business doing engineering. I've helped design stuff from satellites to cell phones and cars to airplanes with everything in between.

Ive decided to become a member of the JW Net community and to try to help others as myself. I plan on "silent resistance" once again. Its time to have some fun.