Where in verse 9 are you reading that they are seen in heaven??? Also, in verse 14 the answer is given to where this great crowd came from and it says that they came out from the GT... where does the GT take place at???
johnamos
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The Great Crowd
by seekchristonly inquestion where are the great crowd when paul sees them.
well they are in............. wait for it...............heaven and not on the earth as is taught by some counterfeit kingdoms.
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The Great Crowd
by seekchristonly inquestion where are the great crowd when paul sees them.
well they are in............. wait for it...............heaven and not on the earth as is taught by some counterfeit kingdoms.
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johnamos
What scripture are you referring to that speaks of PAUL seeing a great crowd in heaven???
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Atlanta Int Convention 2014:The Big Party. Does this look like WT believes Armageddon is coming "soon"?
by AndDontCallMeShirley inhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=potrr2qxhue.
.. if armageddon is "imminent", why is wt focused on sight-seeing, entertainment, travel, etc.
instead of preaching and saving people??.
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johnamos
Pause it at 4:55 and look and read at all that you see there and remember it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POtRr2qXhuE
Watch the following starting at 11:10 to 12:52
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rc0NmYIWTGs
Read the following:
[2-15-12 WT 14 In a selfish and nationalistic world, it is refreshing to find individuals who can and do look beyond national borders. Granted, overcoming prejudices can be difficult. The founder of the television network CNN, Ted Turner, comments about his work with a number of talented individuals from various nations: “Meeting with these people was an incredible experience. I came to see those from other countries not as ‘foreigners,’ but as fellow citizens of the planet. I began to view the word ‘foreign’ as pejorative and created a rule within CNN that the word could not be used either on air or in conversation around the office. Instead, the word ‘international’ was to be used.”
15 In lands around the globe, only Jehovah’s Witnesses have adopted God’s way of thinking as a group. By learning to see things as Jehovah does, they have been able mentally and emotionally to break down national barriers. Instead of treating members of differing national groups with distrust, suspicion, or even outright hatred, they have learned to cherish the variety of characteristics and abilities of these groups as something beautiful. Have you reflected on this accomplishment and how it has benefited you personally in dealing with others?]
Watch the following:
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What has the WTS EVER "predicted" that has actually come true?
by integ inyou'd think they could point to something right?
obviously we're the one true religion".. i can't fathom how anyone of any intelligence would be willing to join up with this org after doing even rudimentary research.. for years they have taught that it's wrong to seek advanced education or to plan for a "worldly" future by trusting in this system of things and then this past sunday the watchtower article rips on people for not planning for the future in regard to their elderly relatives.
maybe if they hadn't been teaching for 100 yr's that the end was "just around the corner" and telling us we'd better believe that fact...or else, we would have planned better for a future that you said without reservation would not even occur.. what mind blowing prediction can they point to that would convince someone "oh yeah..these guys have it right"...?.
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johnamos
Artwork (picture) in the 2-15-75 WT p.100 and the 10-1-78 WT p.10
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Sign of the Time of the End ---> Armagaddon
by Waiting4TheKingdom infive events to come and to watch for:.
1 world leaders say peace and security!
- they "say" this but may not fully "achieve" this.
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johnamos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFtI_mVOXbQ
I know this is a bit long… (About 1 hour and 45 mins) but this is worth watching to the end! The two young guys make it hard to listen to at first but be patient it is very interesting.
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Sign of the Time of the End ---> Armagaddon
by Waiting4TheKingdom infive events to come and to watch for:.
1 world leaders say peace and security!
- they "say" this but may not fully "achieve" this.
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johnamos
Quote- “It's pretty obvious why; many (not just the WTS) had already labeled the UN as the "Wild Beast", and since it's clearly a Bad Guy (and destroys "Babylon the Great") in Revelation, it must be conspiring against the whole world in general and righteous Christians in particular (evidence or lack of it notwithstanding).”
Start at 0:45 and pay attention again starting at 1:45 when Ted Turner comes on.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSoUCoEKlxw
Remember the WTS says that Ted is a ‘refreshing individual’ for his views, and of course his views are those of the UN.
Quote- “However, the only way it could accomplish that is if it actually became some kind of all-powerful and opressive secular world government, hence the support for NWO conspiracy theories.”
[And the ten horns that you saw, and the wild beast, these will hate the harlot and will make her devastated and naked, and will eat up her fleshy parts and will completely burn her with fire. 17 For God put [it] into their hearts to carry out his thought, even to carry out their one thought by giving their kingdom to the wild beast, until the words of God will have been accomplished.]
[ 5 And a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies was given it, and authority to act forty-two months was given it. 6 And it opened its mouth in blasphemies against God, to blaspheme his name and his residence, even those residing in heaven. 7 And there was granted it to wage war with the holy ones and conquer them, and authority was given it over every tribe and people and tongue and nation.]
Remember Walter said that in order for the UN to act in the capacity that it was meant to, the nations would need to give up some of their sovereignty and it will be a bitter pill to swallow. That is why they will create and carry out WW3 knowing that during that time of chaos (order from chaos… create the problem and offer the solution) people will go along with whatever.
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Sign of the Time of the End ---> Armagaddon
by Waiting4TheKingdom infive events to come and to watch for:.
1 world leaders say peace and security!
- they "say" this but may not fully "achieve" this.
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johnamos
Its funny that here I like your user name and profile pic because I like Leslie Nielsen and the airplane and naked gun movies, but yet your replies are ridiculous and yet I cannot stand PON’s profile pic and yet his reply was at least respectable. I guess it’s the ole don’t judge a book by its cover.
It's true what they say: Cops and women don't mix. It's like eating a spoonful of Drano; sure, it'll clean you out, but it'll leave you hollow inside.
What was it we had for dinner tonight?
Well, we had a choice of steak or fish.
Yes, yes, I remember, I had lasagna.
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Sign of the Time of the End ---> Armagaddon
by Waiting4TheKingdom infive events to come and to watch for:.
1 world leaders say peace and security!
- they "say" this but may not fully "achieve" this.
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johnamos
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inu9vKXsrFA
Listen to the whole thing carefully, but pay close attention to what is said at 6:55 to 7:20. (And don’t just fast forward to that part because I put it down. It is important to hear all so that one will understand the mindset of those that support the U.N.)
And you state this as dating back to the 50’s…LOL! It dates back to the book of Revelation and even Daniel, and even Genesis. My whole point was to show even to an atheist, or anyone that does not believe in the bible, that regardless of that, they could see what has taken place in history and presently as in regards to the NWO, and they can witness it for themselves.
Also listen to:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MADYzQstpsU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_zNFuVaqTI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-X3sJKtVJE
(Sadly that kid doing the interview has no clue with his thinking that the NWO will not come about.)
You may say, ‘well these are old clips and Walter is dead and George SR even has one foot in the grave’. But it has always been the intent to bring about the NWO with WW3.
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Ted Turner is known for his $1 billion gift to support the United Nations, which created the United Nations Foundation, a public charity to broaden support for the UN. Turner also serves as Chairman of the United Nations Foundation board of directors.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Turner
For those that know about the WTS as a NGO with the UN, well they are still in bed with them. Referring to Ted as a ‘refreshing individual’ in regards to his views knowing full well that Ted’s views are the views of the UN.
[12-15-12 WT- In a selfish and nationalistic world, it is refreshing to find individuals who can and do look beyond national borders. Granted, overcoming prejudices can be difficult. The founder of the television network CNN, Ted Turner, comments about his work with a number of talented individuals from various nations: “Meeting with these people was an incredible experience. I came to see those from other countries not as ‘foreigners,’ but as fellow citizens of the planet. I began to view the word ‘foreign’ as pejorative and created a rule within CNN that the word could not be used either on air or in conversation around the office. Instead, the word ‘international’ was to be used.”]
[Tuesday, February 4
God is not partial.—Acts 10:34.
In a selfish and nationalistic world, it is refreshing to find individuals who can and do look beyond national borders. The founder of the television network CNN, Ted Turner, comments about his work with a number of talented individuals from various nations: “I came to see those from other countries not as ‘foreigners,’ but as fellow citizens of the planet.”]
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A glaring example of how Watchtower's insertion of "Jehovah" corrupts the NT
by Island Man in"the rnwt replaces "kyrios" (lord) with "jehovah" in translating romans 14:8 as follows:.
"for if we live, we live to jehovah,*+ and if we die, we die to jehovah.
* so both if we live and if we die, we belong to jehovah.".
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johnamos
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+16%3A15-16&version=ESV
15 He saith unto them, But who say ye that I am?
16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+11:15&version=ASV
5 And the seventh angel sounded; and there followed great voices in heaven, and they said, The kingdom of the world is become the kingdom of our Lord, and of his Christ: and he shall reign for ever and ever.
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http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+16%3A15-16&version=ERV
15 Then Jesus said to his followers, “And who do you say I am?”
16 Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.”
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+11:15&version=ERV
15 The seventh angel blew his trumpet. Then there were loud voices in heaven. The voices said, “The kingdom of the world has now become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Messiah. And he will rule forever and ever.”
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Sign of the Time of the End ---> Armagaddon
by Waiting4TheKingdom infive events to come and to watch for:.
1 world leaders say peace and security!
- they "say" this but may not fully "achieve" this.
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johnamos
PON- I can appreciate your reply. If you do not believe in the existents of God and as a result, being our creator, then there would be no valid reason for me to say anything to you in regards to the bible and prophesy. As far as your comment in regards to the catholic church, that well may be true that they put together the bible of what is known and used today. But they didn’t write it and they didn’t plant the artifacts from B.C.E. period. They didn’t write any of the prophecies that even an atheist that does not believe in the bible at all but followed history and current events in the world and in politics, can understand and see that the UN and its supporters have the intent to bring about a one world government. As far as what you say about the name Jehovah, that may well be true too. I have no objective to calling him Yahweh. As for me, even thou the following is taken from the bible, it need not be. It is the essence of what is being said and the reasoning on it that I am focusing on.
[For his invisible qualities are clearly seen from the world’s creation onward, because they are perceived by the things made, even his eternal power and Godship, so that they are inexcusable;]
NY44M- The KOTN, disgusting thing, king fierce in countenance, the northerner in Joel, 8 th king, the attackers of Ariel, those that bring on Gog’s attack, wild beast that rises from the abyss that is giving 42 month authority, the nations that trample the holy city for 42 months, etc… are all counterparts of one another.
Vidiot- Did you read Ezekiel 13:1-16, 1 Corinthians 4:8, 2 Thessalonians 2:1-12???