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  Ex JW Elder, COBE, Program Convention Overseer Speaks Out

  by James Jack in

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  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ks1rghdxc1y&t=844s.

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  johnamos

  James (Ken), you speak of being woke...but you say you listen/watch people like Mike and Kim, Lloyd Evans, etc.

  If you were truly woke you should of done so by watching/listening to Robert King (ewatchman)
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  Nebuchadnezzar's 37th year matches the year 588 or 568 BC?

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  anybody know something about vat 4956?.

  nebuchadnezzar's 37th year matches the year 588 bc?

  any independant astronomer can test it and it only matches 568 bc.. .

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  johnamos

  scholar, I see that you choose to ignore my questions to you about Joel 3:1,2. Why is that?

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  scholar, since your quite the expert on God's people being in captivity, can you explain Joel 3:1,2?

  [Joel 3:1 “For, look! in those days and in that time, when I shall bring back the captive ones of Judah and Jerusalem, 2 I will also collect together all the nations and bring them down to the low plain of Je·hoshʹa·phat; and I will put myself on judgment with them there on account of my people and my inheritance Israel, whom they scattered among the nations; and they apportioned out my own land.]

  Did Jehovah already collect together the nations down on the low plain to put himself on judgment with them or is this still a future fulfillment?

  If it is a future fulfillment, who are the captive ones (God's people) that are brought back at that time?

  Are God's people currently captive or are they yet to go into this captivity?

  [Joel 2: 17 “Between the porch and the altar let the priests, the ministers of Jehovah, weep and say, ‘Do feel sorry, O Jehovah, for your people, and do not make your inheritance a reproach, for nations to rule over them. Why should they say among the peoples: “Where is their God?”’]

  [12-1-61 WT p.714 par. 8 – The worst plague of locusts and worms ever foretold to come was that one of which Jehovah’s prophet Joel gave forewarning. That plague was not threatened by Jehovah God without a just cause occasioned by his people. That is why in Joel’s prophecy Jehovah presents himself as at war with his own people. Here let Christendom who today claims to be God’s people take serious notice!]

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  Also, you said; "Absolutely!!!!", to Rocketman123 saying; "if you are going to be an accepted member and identified in good standing you have to agree and support 607 BCE., which includes agreeing with 1914."

  With that being said, do you agree with 1914? Do you believe that Rev 11:15 was fulfilled at that time?
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  Nebuchadnezzar's 37th year matches the year 588 or 568 BC?

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  anybody know something about vat 4956?.

  nebuchadnezzar's 37th year matches the year 588 bc?

  any independant astronomer can test it and it only matches 568 bc.. .

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  johnamos

  scholar, since your quite the expert on God's people being in captivity, can you explain Joel 3:1,2?

  [Joel 3:1 “For, look! in those days and in that time, when I shall bring back the captive ones of Judah and Jerusalem, 2 I will also collect together all the nations and bring them down to the low plain of Je·hoshʹa·phat; and I will put myself on judgment with them there on account of my people and my inheritance Israel, whom they scattered among the nations; and they apportioned out my own land.]

  Did Jehovah already collect together the nations down on the low plain to put himself on judgment with them or is this still a future fulfillment?

  If it is a future fulfillment, who are the captive ones (God's people) that are brought back at that time?

  Are God's people currently captive or are they yet to go into this captivity?

  [Joel 2: 17 “Between the porch and the altar let the priests, the ministers of Jehovah, weep and say, ‘Do feel sorry, O Jehovah, for your people, and do not make your inheritance a reproach, for nations to rule over them. Why should they say among the peoples: “Where is their God?”’]

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  [12-1-61 WT p.714 par. 8 – The worst plague of locusts and worms ever foretold to come was that one of which Jehovah’s prophet Joel gave forewarning. That plague was not threatened by Jehovah God without a just cause occasioned by his people. That is why in Joel’s prophecy Jehovah presents himself as at war with his own people. Here let Christendom who today claims to be God’s people take serious notice!]
  
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  Nebuchadnezzar's 37th year matches the year 588 or 568 BC?

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  anybody know something about vat 4956?.

  nebuchadnezzar's 37th year matches the year 588 bc?

  any independant astronomer can test it and it only matches 568 bc.. .

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  johnamos

  scholar:

  The fact is simply that the 70 years ended not with the Fall of Babylon in 539 BCE but only with the Return of the Jews in 537 BCE with the ist year of Cyrus.

  Well maybe you should tell Jehovah about that fact. He said that he was going to call Babylon to account WHEN THOSE 70 YEARS WERE FULFILLED...and the WTS states that happen in 539.

  [Jeremiah 25: 11 And all this land will be reduced to ruins and will become an object of horror, and these nations will have to serve the king of Babylon for 70 years.12 ‘But when 70 years have been fulfilled, I will call to account the king of Babylon and that nation for their error,’ declares Jehovah,]

  [8-1-81 WT p. 27-28 – “The idol-worshiping Babylonians now were in line for God’s judgment to be executed upon them. That happened in 539 B.C.E. when Babylon was overthrown by the Medes and the Persians.”]

  [11-15-98 WT – We know that Jehovah is the Great Timekeeper, and we have confidence that he never fails to fulfill his purposes at his appointed time.]
  
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  Nebuchadnezzar's 37th year matches the year 588 or 568 BC?

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  anybody know something about vat 4956?.

  nebuchadnezzar's 37th year matches the year 588 bc?

  any independant astronomer can test it and it only matches 568 bc.. .

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  johnamos

  "Yes, Jerimiah referred to seventy years of servitude, not equated to the desolation, and yes, he said plainly that it applied to many nations (plural), and yes he explicitly stated that the seventy years would end

  [Jeremiah 27:6 And now I have given all these lands into the hand of my servant King Neb·u·chad·nezʹzar of Babylon; even the wild beasts of the field I have given him to serve him. 7 ALL THE NATIONS WILL HAVE TO SERVE him and his son and his grandson until the time for his own land comes,]

  [Jeremiah 25: 11 And all this land will be reduced to ruins and will become an object of horror, and these nations will have to serve the king of Babylon for 70 years.12 ‘But when 70 years have been fulfilled, I will call to account the king of Babylon and that nation for their error,’ declares Jehovah,]
  

  [Daniel 5:26 “This is the interpretation of the words: MEʹNE, God has numbered the days of your kingdom and brought it to an end.]

  [8-1-81 WT p. 27-28 – “The idol-worshiping Babylonians now were in line for God’s judgment to be executed upon them. That happened in 539 B.C.E. when Babylon was overthrown by the Medes and the Persians.”]
  
  
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  Nebuchadnezzar's 37th year matches the year 588 or 568 BC?

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  anybody know something about vat 4956?.

  nebuchadnezzar's 37th year matches the year 588 bc?

  any independant astronomer can test it and it only matches 568 bc.. .

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  johnamos

  You've put yourself on the horns of a dilemma: Either the Bible contradicts itself, or the WT is incorrect - which do you choose?

  [12-1-00 WT– Whatever authority people may arrogate to themselves, you do not have to accept their conclusions if they contradict God, ignore his Word, and violate common sense. In the final analysis, the wise course is always to “let God be found true, though every man be found a liar.” —Romans 3:4.]
  

  [6-1-86 WT– To acquire a complete heart, we must be prepared emotionally to set aside preconceived opinions, willing to let God be found true even if it does demolish some of our pet ideas or cherished doctrinal views. (Romans 3:4)]
  
  
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  Nebuchadnezzar's 37th year matches the year 588 or 568 BC?

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  anybody know something about vat 4956?.

  nebuchadnezzar's 37th year matches the year 588 bc?

  any independant astronomer can test it and it only matches 568 bc.. .

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  johnamos

  Religious convictions are usually diverse from truth and intellectual honesty.So arguing with someone who wants to uphold their religious convictions is like talking to a brick wall.

  This is why I feel Bobcat has the best response ever:

  'Understood.'

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  Nebuchadnezzar's 37th year matches the year 588 or 568 BC?

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  anybody know something about vat 4956?.

  nebuchadnezzar's 37th year matches the year 588 bc?

  any independant astronomer can test it and it only matches 568 bc.. .

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  johnamos

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pL4FYXj0qQQ
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  Interesting Find with Chronology

  by Kelley959 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i hope this is in the right area.

  i've been studying the 2520 days/years 607/587/586 debacle.

  for a while now i have felt 1914 was wrong.

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  johnamos

  Y'all may be making valid points (IDK), but they are irrelevant as it relates to the lunacy of JW world and their explanation of the 70 years.

  In that 'Isaiah's Prophecy' quote they actually tear down their own teaching of the 70 years being for the Jews in exile.

  They clearly state: 'Evidently, the 70 years represents the period of Babylonia’s greatest domination' and 'the Babylonian Empire falls in 539 B.C.E.'

  If the 70 years represents their greatest domination period and it ended in 539 then it must have begun in 609.

  That agrees with the following:

  [10-1-11 WT p.27 – Instead of saying 70 years “at Babylon,” many translations read “for Babylon.” (NIV) Some historians therefore claim that this 70-year period applies to the Babylonian Empire.]

  [10-1-11 WT – According to secular chronology, the Babylonians dominated the land of ancient Judah and Jerusalem for some 70 years, from about 609 B.C.E. until 539 B.C.E. when the capital city of Babylon was captured.]

  
  
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  Interesting Find with Chronology

  by Kelley959 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i hope this is in the right area.

  i've been studying the 2520 days/years 607/587/586 debacle.

  for a while now i have felt 1914 was wrong.

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  johnamos

  Nabopolassar 626-605

  Nebuchadnezzar 605-562

  Nabonidus 556-539

  Did these Babylonian kings rule during those years?

  Was there a battle in Harran, Assyria in 609 with Nabopolassar and Nebuchadnezzar present?

  Did Cyrus king of Persia take Nabonidus king of Babylon captive in 539?