Awesome Video on debunking 1914!!!!! Follow it carefully to the end!!

by Beth Sarim in

i don't know if anyone has stumbled across this video, but it just blew may away.

omg!!!

just goes to show why in dubland they adhere to the 2 witness rule so adamantly and are so anal about it.

johnamos

--When you have resolved the 586/7 controversy then can you speak of intellectual honesty

scholar, you speak on the discrepancy of 587/586 but you ignore the one with the WTS 607/606.

I have showed that the years the WTS has for Jehoiakim are 628 –618

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/s/r1/lp-e?q=%22628-618%22&p=par&r=occ

Based on that Neb's 18th year would be 606

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There is no need to dissolve anything as this doctrine is sound well established as part of Bible prophecy and confirmed by the outbreak of the First World War in 1914 CE.

The WTS say that in Oct 1914 is when Jesus became king and the first thing Jesus (Michael) did was throw Satan out of heaven to the earth which meant WOE for the earth. They say WW1 is evidence of that WOE. Here is the thing though, WW1 started in June/July of 1914.

WW1 began on July 28, 1914 after the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand occurred on June 28, 1914.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_I

[w92 5/1 p. 6 - Unseen to human eyes, in October 1914 an event of world-shaking importance took place in heaven. Jesus Christ, the permanent Heir to “the throne of David,” commenced his rule as King over all mankind.—Luke 1:32, 33; Revelation 11:15. ‘But,’ you may ask, ‘if Christ began ruling in 1914, why did conditions on earth get worse?’ Because mankind’s invisible enemy Satan was still in existence. Until 1914, Satan had access to heaven. That situation changed with the setting up of God’s Kingdom in 1914. “War broke out in heaven.” (Revelation 12:7) Satan and his demons were defeated and cast down to the earth, with catastrophic effects on mankind. The Bible foretold: “Woe for the earth and for the sea, because the Devil has come down to you, having great anger, knowing he has a short period of time.”—Revelation 12:12.]

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Awesome Video on debunking 1914!!!!! Follow it carefully to the end!!

by Beth Sarim in

i don't know if anyone has stumbled across this video, but it just blew may away.

omg!!!

just goes to show why in dubland they adhere to the 2 witness rule so adamantly and are so anal about it.

johnamos

whereas WT has identified the exact year as 607 BCE

[Insight on the Scriptures, Volume 1 p. 1268 - Jehoiakim’s bad rule of about 11 years (628-618 B.C.E.) was marked by injustices, oppression, and murder.]

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/s/r1/lp-e?q=%22628-618%22&p=par&r=occ

The WTS says Jehoiakim ruled 628 –618, that being the case then his 4th year would be 624 and would also be Neb’s 1st year making his 18th year 606.

[it-2 pp. 480-482 - Nebuchadnezzar ruled as king for 43 years (624-582 B.C.E.), this period including the “seven times” during which he ate vegetation like a bull.]

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/s/r1/lp-e?q=%22624-582%22&p=par&r=occ

[Jeremiah 25:1 The word that came to Jeremiah concerning all the people of Judah in (624) the fourth year of Je·hoiʹa·kim+ son of Jo·siʹah, the king of Judah, which (624) was the first year of King Neb·u·chad·nezʹzar of Babylon.]

[Jeremiah 52:29 In the 18th year of Neb·u·chad·nezʹzar,*+ 832 people* were taken from Jerusalem.]

624 – 18 = 606

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Awesome Video on debunking 1914!!!!! Follow it carefully to the end!!

by Beth Sarim in

i don't know if anyone has stumbled across this video, but it just blew may away.

omg!!!

just goes to show why in dubland they adhere to the 2 witness rule so adamantly and are so anal about it.

johnamos

Simple, because Babylonish domination over Judah only lasted until the Jews were released from servitude to Babylon under the new King of Babylon, King Cyrus in 537 BCE

If the Babylon’s domination over Judah ended in 537 when did it begin?

Did it begin in Jehoiakim’s time?

Did it begin in Jehoiachin’s time?

Did it begin in Zedekiah’s time?

[2 Kings 24:1 In Je·hoiʹa·kim’s days King Neb·u·chad·nezʹzar+ of Babylon came against him, and Je·hoiʹa·kim became his servant for three years. However, he turned against him and rebelled. 2 Then Jehovah began to send against him marauder bands of Chal·deʹans,+ Syrians, Moʹab·ites, and Amʹmon·ites. He kept sending them against Judah to destroy it, according to Jehovah’s word+ that he had spoken through his servants the prophets…

King Je·hoiʹa·chin of Judah went out to the king of Babylon,+ along with his mother, his servants, his princes, and his court officials;+ and the king of Babylon took him captive in the eighth year of his reign.+ 13 Then he took out from there all the treasures of the house of Jehovah and the treasures of the king’s house.*+He cut into pieces all the gold utensils that Solʹo·mon the king of Israel had made in the temple of Jehovah.+ This happened just as Jehovah had foretold. 14 He took into exile all Jerusalem, all the princes,+ all the mighty warriors, and every craftsman and metalworker*+—he took 10,000 into exile. No one was left behind except the poorest people of the land.+ 15 Thus he took Je·hoiʹa·chin+ into exile to Babylon;+ he also led away the king’s mother, the king’s wives, his court officials, and the foremost men of the land, taking them into exile from Jerusalem to Babylon. 16 The king of Babylon also took into exile to Babylon all the warriors, 7,000, as well as 1,000 craftsmen and metalworkers,* all of them mighty men and trained for war….

17 The king of Babylon made Mat·ta·niʹah, Je·hoiʹa·chin’s uncle,+ king in his place and changed his name to Zed·e·kiʹah.+ 18 Zed·e·kiʹah was 21 years old when he became king, and he reigned for 11 years in Jerusalem.]

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Also the following from the WTS makes clear that the 70 years of the Babylonia’s greatest domination ended in 539 when it fell.

[Isaiah’s Prophesy 1 p. 253-254 par. 21-23 - Evidently, the 70 years represents the period of Babylonia’s greatest domination— …But at the end of 70 years, that domination will crumble.]

[w65 1/1 p. 30 - Thus the stage was set. For, after Nebuchadnezzar, Babylon had a brief and tempestuous history of rulership that extended only as far as the grandson of Nebuchadnezzar, falling to Medo-Persia in 539 B.C.E. So, although Babylon felt highly exalted over the downfall of Judah, with much rejoicing, yet this rejoicing turned out to be very short-lived, for the One who sets the times and seasons and who “is doing according to his own will among the army of the heavens and the inhabitants of the earth” had decreed a cutting off of Babylon’s domination.—Dan. 4:35.]

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Awesome Video on debunking 1914!!!!! Follow it carefully to the end!!

by Beth Sarim in

i don't know if anyone has stumbled across this video, but it just blew may away.

omg!!!

just goes to show why in dubland they adhere to the 2 witness rule so adamantly and are so anal about it.

johnamos

[Isaiah’s Prophesy 1 p. 253-254 par. 21-23 - Evidently, the 70 years represents the period of Babylonia’s greatest domination— …But at the end of 70 years, that domination will crumble.]

[it-1 pp. 239-241 - Insight, Volume 1 - After ancient Babylon fell to Cyrus the Persian in 539 B.C.E., it lost its position as a dominant world power,]

[it-1 pp. 701-703 - Insight, Volume 1- Babylon was reduced to this low state in 539 B.C.E., at her conquest by the Medes and Persians.]

Again, how was 538 & 537 part of Babylon's greatest domination period if it was reduced to a low state and lost its position as a dominant world power 539?

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Awesome Video on debunking 1914!!!!! Follow it carefully to the end!!

by Beth Sarim in

i don't know if anyone has stumbled across this video, but it just blew may away.

omg!!!

just goes to show why in dubland they adhere to the 2 witness rule so adamantly and are so anal about it.

johnamos

whether Jerusalem fell in 586 or 587 BCE

587

Does the WTS claim that Babylon fell in 539?
Yes indeed.

When was that 70 year period of Babylon's greatest domination?
From 607 BCE to 537 BCE

How was Babylon dominating in 538 & 537 if it fell in 539?

[w80 5/15 p. 17 On the very night that Babylon fell in 539 B.C.E., the prophet Daniel interpreted the handwriting on the wall that had appeared to King Belshazzar: “PERES, your kingdom has been divided and given to the Medes and the Persians.” Daniel’s eyewitness account goes on to say: “In that very night Belshazzar the Chaldean king was killed and Darius the Mede himself received the kingdom.”]

[Isaiah goes on to prophesy: “It must occur in that day that Tyre must be forgotten seventy years, the same as the days of one king.” (Isaiah 23:15a) …True to the prophecy, for the duration of “one king”—the Babylonian Empire—the island-city of Tyre will not be an important financial power. Jehovah, through Jeremiah, includes Tyre among the nations that will be singled out to drink the wine of His rage. He says: “These nations will have to serve the king of Babylon seventy years.” (Jeremiah 25:8-17, 22, 27) … Evidently, the 70 years represents the period of Babylonia’s greatest domination— …But at the end of 70 years, that domination will crumble.]

When did the 70 years for Tyre begin/end?

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Awesome Video on debunking 1914!!!!! Follow it carefully to the end!!

by Beth Sarim in

i don't know if anyone has stumbled across this video, but it just blew may away.

omg!!!

just goes to show why in dubland they adhere to the 2 witness rule so adamantly and are so anal about it.

johnamos

I have to admit that I am not the best when it comes to math but even I know that the following does not add up…

The WTS says Josiah reigned for 31 years:

[Insight on the Scriptures, Volume 2 p. 118

Toward the close of Josiah’s 31-year reign (659-629 B.C.E.),]

[“All Scripture Is Inspired of God and Beneficial” p. 73

The people now make Amon’s son Josiah king. During his 31-year reign, he briefly reverses Judah’s plunge toward destruction ‘by walking in all the way of David his forefather.’]

They state that his reign was from 659 – 629. Well that is only 30 years NOT 31 years. Also they say the 13th year of his reign was 647 but being that they claim he began his reign in 659 then his 13th year would be 646 NOT 647. For it to be 647 the reign start would need to be 660.

[Insight on the Scriptures, Volume 1 p. 1013

During the reign of Judah’s good king Josiah (659-629 B.C.E.),]

[Insight on the Scriptures, Volume 2 p. 30-31

Commissioned as Prophet. Jeremiah was called to be a prophet when a young man, in 647 B.C.E., in the 13th year of the reign of King Josiah of Judah (659-629 B.C.E.).]

The WTS says Jehoiakim ruled 11 years but claim it was from 628-618, that is 10 years NOT 11.

[Insight on the Scriptures, Volume 1 p. 1269

Jehoiakim’s third year of his 11-year reign over Judah]

[Insight on the Scriptures, Volume 1 p. 708

King of Judah (628-618 B.C.E.) whom Pharaoh Nechoh placed upon the throne, changing his name to Jehoiakim.]

Insight on the Scriptures, Volume 1 p. 1268

Jehoiakim’s bad rule of about 11 years (628-618 B.C.E.) was marked by injustices, oppression, and murder.

[Jeremiah 25:1 The word that came to Jeremiah concerning all the people of Judah in (624) the fourth year of Je·hoiʹa·kim+ son of Jo·siʹah, the king of Judah, which (624) was the first year of King Neb·u·chad·nezʹzar of Babylon.]

If according to the WTS Jehoiakim began to reign in 628 then his 4th year would have been 624 NOT 625. That also means that Neb’s 1st year was 624…let’s see if that WTS agrees with that:

[it-2 pp. 480-482

Nebuchadnezzar ruled as king for 43 years (624-582 B.C.E.), this period including the “seven times” during which he ate vegetation like a bull.]

Well it seems they do agree with that start as 624 but they are off on their math again because they say he ruled for 43 years but 624 – 582 is 42 years.

And if Neb’s 1st year was 624 then his 18th year was 606, so he besieged Jerusalem in 606 NOT 607.

[Jeremiah 32:1 The word that came to Jeremiah from Jehovah in the tenth year of Zedekiah king of Judah, which was (606) the eighteenth year of Nebuchadrezzar. (624- 582) 2 Now at that time the king of Babylon’s army was besieging Jerusalem;]

Now let’s compare secular history arithmetic:

Josiah – reign 640 – 609 = 31 years exactly

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josiah

Jehoiakim - reign 609 - 598 = 11 years exactly

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehoiakim

Nebuchadnezzar – reign 605 - 562 = 43 years exactly

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nebuchadnezzar_II

[Jeremiah 25:1 The word that came to Jeremiah concerning all the people of Judah in (605) the fourth year of Je·hoiʹa·kim (609 –598) son of Jo·siʹah, (640 – 609) the king of Judah, which (605) was the first year of King Neb·u·chad·nezʹzar (605 - 562 of Babylon.]

[Jeremiah 32:1 The word that came to Jeremiah from Jehovah in the tenth year of Zedekiah king of Judah, which was (587) the eighteenth year of Nebuchadrezzar. (605- 562) 2 Now at that time the king of Babylon’s army was besieging Jerusalem;]

605 – 18 = 587 besieged Jerusalem

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Awesome Video on debunking 1914!!!!! Follow it carefully to the end!!

by Beth Sarim in

i don't know if anyone has stumbled across this video, but it just blew may away.

omg!!!

just goes to show why in dubland they adhere to the 2 witness rule so adamantly and are so anal about it.

johnamos

scholar,

According to the following:

Does the WTS claim that Babylon fell in 539?

Does the WTS claim that the 70 years mentioned at Jere 25:11,12 represents the period of Babylonia’s greatest domination?

When was that 70 year period of Babylon's greatest domination?

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[Isaiah’s Prophesy 1 p. 253-254 par. 21-23

21. In what way is Tyre “forgotten,” and for how long?

21 Isaiah goes on to prophesy: “It must occur in that day that Tyre must be forgotten seventy years, the same as the days of one king.” (Isaiah 23:15a) …True to the prophecy, for the duration of “one king”—the Babylonian Empire—the island-city of Tyre will not be an important financial power. Jehovah, through Jeremiah, includes Tyre among the nations that will be singled out to drink the wine of His rage. He says: “These nations will have to serve the king of Babylon seventy years.” (Jeremiah 25:8-17, 22, 27) … Evidently, the 70 years represents the period of Babylonia’s greatest domination— …But at the end of 70 years, that domination will crumble. What will then happen to Tyre?

22, 23. What will happen to Tyre when she comes out from under Babylonian domination?

22 Isaiah continues: “At the end of seventy years it will happen to Tyre as in the song of a prostitute: ‘Take a harp, go around the city, O forgotten prostitute. Do your best at playing on the strings; make your songs many, in order that you may be remembered.’ And it must occur at the end of seventy years that Jehovah will turn his attention to Tyre, and she must return to her hire and commit prostitution with all the kingdoms of the earth upon the surface of the ground.”—Isaiah 23:15b-17.

23 Following the fall of Babylon in 539 B.C.E., Phoenicia becomes a satrapy of the Medo-Persian Empire.]

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Awesome Video on debunking 1914!!!!! Follow it carefully to the end!!

by Beth Sarim in

i don't know if anyone has stumbled across this video, but it just blew may away.

omg!!!

just goes to show why in dubland they adhere to the 2 witness rule so adamantly and are so anal about it.

johnamos

scholar, according to the following:

When did Jehovah say he was going to call Babylon to account?

What year did Jehovah call Babylon to account?

[Jeremiah 25:11 And all this land will be reduced to ruins and will become an object of horror, and THESE NATIONS will have to serve the king of Babylon for 70 years.”’ 12 ‘But when 70 years have been fulfilled, I will call to account the king of Babylon and that nation for their error,’ declares Jehovah,]

[8-1-81 WT p. 27-28 - “The idol-worshiping Babylonians now were in line for God’s judgment to be executed upon them. That happened in 539 B.C.E. when Babylon was overthrown by the Medes and the Persians.”]

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John 5:28,29.

by Lost in the fog in

we used to use this scripture to show that there was going to be a future resurrection.

but recently i got to thinking about it.

if the apostle paul was right in saying that the righteous on death would be changed in the twinkling of an eye from earthly life to heavenly glory why would there be a future resurrection needed for the righteous?

johnamos

Poor girl...

Earthquake in next couple days - YES

In the ring of fire - YES

7.? - NO 5.8

Well she was not correct about the size of it but this happen today...

RIDGECREST, Calif. —

An earthquake with a preliminary magnitude of 5.8 struck Wednesday in a remote area of central Caliifornia.

https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/california/story/2020-06-24/magnitude-5-8-earthquake-shakes-remote-central-california

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Why do Jehovah's Witnesses avoid examining their own religion? An interesting read from Scientific American Magazine.

by Balaamsass2 in

for a long time, i thought pimi (physically in, mentally in) jws were unique in their inability to simply type and read the latest "google" news results about "jehovah's witnesses " or "watchtower".

however, it appears it is not uncommon for a large portion of the population purposefully to avoid facts...on purpose!

"why do people avoid facts that could help them?.

johnamos

[9-1-10 WT – Be like the noble-minded men and women whom the apostle Paul preached to in Beroea. They received the word with the greatest eagerness of mind, carefully examining the Scriptures daily as to whether these things were so. —Acts 17:11.You have nothing to fear from examining your beliefs in this way.” The bible encourages you to “make sure of all things” before accepting them as true. (1 Thess 5:21) Toward the end of the first century C.E., the apostle John urged his fellow christians: ” Beloved ones, do not believe every inspired expression, but test the inspired expressions to see whether they originate with God.” (1 John 4:1) Yes, even though a certain religious teaching seems to be “inspired” – or to come from God- it is still the course of wisdom to examine the Scriptures to make sure before accepting it as true- John 8:31,32. “]

[6-1-86 WT- To acquire a complete heart, we must be prepared emotionally to set aside preconceived opinions, willing to let God be found true even if it does demolish some of our pet ideas or cherished doctrinal views. (Romans 3:4)]

[11-1-11 Awake – Some noble-minded people from the ancient city of Beroea set a fine example in acquiring proper faith. Even though these individuals really wanted to believe what Christian missionaries taught them, they made a point of “carefully examining the Scriptures daily as to whether these things were so.”—Acts 17:11. What, though, if what you learn seems to contradict some of your deeply held beliefs? Should you just ignore it? Of course not. There may well be times when it is eminently reasonable to consider powerful evidence that appears to contradict what you believe. In the Bible, God promises to reward sincere individuals who search for truth by granting them knowledge, discernment, and thinking ability.—Prov 2:1-12. The kind of faith built on what the Bible teaches is compatible with reason. What kind of faith do you have? Many people have “inherited” their religious beliefs and have never seriously examined them in the light of reason. Yet, it is not a sign of disrespect to examine what you believe so as to ‘prove to yourself’ that your thinking is in harmony with God’s Word. (Romans 12:2) The Bible admonishes us to “test the inspired expressions to see whether they originate with God.” (1 John 4:1) If you do that, you will be in a position, even when your beliefs are challenged, to “make a defense before everyone that demands of you a reason for the hope in you.”]

[12-1-00 WT– Whatever authority people may arrogate to themselves, you do not have to accept their conclusions if they contradict God, ignore his Word, and violate common sense. In the final analysis, the wise course is always to “let God be found true, though every man be found a liar.” —Romans 3:4.]

[9-1-10 WT – To deceive, says one dictionary, means “to cause to accept as true or valid what is false or invalid.” It also implies “imposing a false idea or belief that causes ignorance, bewilderment, or helplessness.” The basic idea of the word, along with such other words as “mislead” and “delude,” is to lead someone astray by underhanded means. Surely, a person who is not aware that he or she is being kept in a state of “ignorance, bewilderment, or helplessness” by deliberate misinformation is in serious danger. The really sad fact is that very often the person who is deceived or deluded tends to hold on to his belief in spite of strong evidence proving otherwise. Perhaps he gets so emotionally attached to his belief that he simply shuts his eyes and closes his ears to any evidence that might challenge it.]

johnamos

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[Insight on the Scriptures, Volume 2 p. 30-31

Josiah – reign 640 – 609 = 31 years exactly