Posts by johnamos

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GOTCHA!

by JTrottigy in

so i noticed one of the members here came to my jwtalk website, where i am an important administrator, and tried to join my site.. i check in here every so often and i was able to deduce that person was an apostate fraud, likely bent on polluting my site.

i denied their request to join.. ha!

gotcha!

johnamos

Are you Jerry from Las Vegas? I know where you live.....Ha! GOTCHA!!

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Interesting Find with Chronology

by Kelley959 in

i hope this is in the right area.

i've been studying the 2520 days/years 607/587/586 debacle.

for a while now i have felt 1914 was wrong.

johnamos

Nonsense: If this is really the case then you should be able to tabulate historically when each of those nations served Babylon.

Yes, you're right - that is nonsense. Ironically, the Watch Tower Society actually put it best on this one in Isaiah's Prophecy, volume 1, page 253: True, the island-city of Tyre is not subject to Babylon for a full 70 years, since the Babylonian Empire falls in 539 B.C.E. Evidently, the 70 years represents the period of Babylonia’s greatest domination—when the Babylonian royal dynasty boasts of having lifted its throne even above “the stars of God.” (Isaiah 14:13) Different nations come under that domination at different times. But at the end of 70 years, that domination will crumble.

Wrong!

It is correct that the 70 years represents the period of Babylon's greatest domination. (Which you can see that they state the that domination ended in 539 which logically means it started in 609.)

In is not correct to say that Tyre was not subject to Babylon a full 70 years and different nations came under that domination at different times.

All nations were subject to Babylon for the same 70 years. It started and ended at the same period for all the nations, and that period was from 609 -539, when Babylon was the 3rd world power. (It's greatest domination period.)

Being subject/serving Babylon was not contingent on a nation being destroyed or being brought to Babylon as captives. That only happen as a punishment for not serving willingly.

[Jeremiah 25:11 And all this land will be reduced to ruins and will become an object of horror, and THESE NATIONS will have to serve the king of Babylon for 70 years.”]

[Jeremiah 27:6 And now I have given all these lands into the hand of my servant King Neb·u·chad·nezʹzar of Babylon; even the wild beasts of the field I have given him to serve him. 7 ALL THE NATIONS WILL HAVE TO SERVE him and his son and his grandson until the time for his own land comes, when many nations and great kings will make him their slave.’8 ‘If any nation or kingdom refuses to serve King Neb·u·chad·nezʹzar of Babylon and refuses to put its neck under the yoke of the king of Babylon, I will punish that nation with the sword, with famine, and with pestilence,’ declares Jehovah, ‘until I have finished them off by his hand.’9 Therefore, do not listen to your prophets, your diviners, your dreamers, your magicians, and your sorcerers, who are saying to you: “You will not serve the king of Babylon.” 10 For they are prophesying lies to you, so that you will be taken far away from your land and I will disperse you and you will perish.11 ‘But the nation that brings its neck under the yoke of the king of Babylon and serves him, I will allow to remain on its land,’ declares Jehovah, ‘to cultivate it and dwell in it.]

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Interesting Find with Chronology

by Kelley959 in

i hope this is in the right area.

i've been studying the 2520 days/years 607/587/586 debacle.

for a while now i have felt 1914 was wrong.

johnamos

Babylon certainly received a judgement in 539 with its Fall but Jeremiah focussed on a more permanent judgement, one of desolation foretold from Jer.25: 12 onwards.

Wrong again scholar!

Jeremiah's focus concerning the 70 years was that those 70 years would be the period that Babylon would be a world power and during such time the nations would have to serve Babylon as such. Serving Babylon was not dependent on being in captivity or desolate. The serving started as a result of Babylon becoming a world power and it ended when their time as such a power ended.

[Jeremiah 25: 11 And all this land will be reduced to ruins and will become an object of horror, and THESE NATIONS will have to serve the king of Babylon for 70 years.”’ 12 ‘But when 70 years have been fulfilled, I will call to account the king of Babylon and that nation for their error,’ declares Jehovah,]

[Pay Attention to Daniel’s Prophecy! – The Great Timekeeper, Jehovah, had numbered the days of Babylon’s reign as a world power, and the end was closer than anyone at Belshazzar’s banquet thought.]

[Daniel 5:26 “This is the interpretation of the words: MEʹNE, God has numbered the days of your kingdom and brought it to an end.]

[Isaiah’s Prophecy 1 p. 253-254 par. 21 – Evidently, the 70 years represents the period of Babylonia’s greatest domination]

[Jeremiah 27:6 And now I have given all these lands into the hand of my servant King Neb·u·chad·nezʹzar of Babylon; even the wild beasts of the field I have given him to serve him. 7 ALL THE NATIONS WILL HAVE TO SERVE him and his son and his grandson until the time for his own land comes,’8 ‘If any nation or kingdom refuses to serve King Neb·u·chad·nezʹzar of Babylon and refuses to put its neck under the yoke of the king of Babylon, I will punish that nation with the sword, with famine, and with pestilence,’ declares Jehovah, ‘until I have finished them off by his hand.’9 Therefore, do not listen to your prophets, your diviners, your dreamers, your magicians, and your sorcerers, who are saying to you: “You will not serve the king of Babylon.” 10 For they are prophesying lies to you, so that you will be taken far away from your land and I will disperse you and you will perish.11 ‘But the nation that brings its neck under the yoke of the king of Babylon and serves him, I will allow to remain on its land,’ declares Jehovah, ‘to cultivate it and dwell in it.]

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Interesting Find with Chronology

by Kelley959 in

i hope this is in the right area.

i've been studying the 2520 days/years 607/587/586 debacle.

for a while now i have felt 1914 was wrong.

johnamos

Nonsense you need to study our publications more closely and our comments on Jer. 25:11

Where's the nonsense? The WTS clearly say that God's judgment on Babylon happen in 539.

“The idol-worshiping Babylonians now were in line for God’s judgment to be executed upon them. That happened in 539 B.C.E

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Interesting Find with Chronology

by Kelley959 in

i hope this is in the right area.

i've been studying the 2520 days/years 607/587/586 debacle.

for a while now i have felt 1914 was wrong.

johnamos

Nope. The seventy years was a period of the Exile in Babylon,

Wrong again scholar!

[Pay Attention to Daniel’s Prophecy! – The Great Timekeeper, Jehovah, had numbered the days of Babylon’s reign as a world power, and the end was closer than anyone at Belshazzar’s banquet thought.]

[Isaiah’s Prophecy 1 p. 253-254 par. 21 – Evidently, the 70 years represents the period of Babylonia’s greatest domination...But at the end of 70 years, that domination will crumble. What will then happen to Tyre?...Following the fall of Babylon in 539 B.C.E., Phoenicia becomes a satrapy of the Medo-Persian Empire.]

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Interesting Find with Chronology

by Kelley959 in

i hope this is in the right area.

i've been studying the 2520 days/years 607/587/586 debacle.

for a while now i have felt 1914 was wrong.

johnamos

You need to focus on the fact that the judgement of Babylon only occurred after 70 years was fulfilled and that was not at its Fall in 539 BCE any other interpretation is fanciful.

Wrong scholar! Not according to Jehovah and to your beloved WTS.

[Jeremiah 25: 11 And all this land will be reduced to ruins and will become an object of horror, and THESE NATIONS will have to serve the king of Babylon for 70 years.”’ 12 ‘But when 70 years have been fulfilled, I will call to account the king of Babylon and that nation for their error,’ declares Jehovah,]

[8-1-81 WT p. 27-28 – “The idol-worshiping Babylonians now were in line for God’s judgment to be executed upon them. That happened in 539 B.C.E. when Babylon was overthrown by the Medes and the Persians.”]

[11-15-98 WT – We know that Jehovah is the Great Timekeeper, and we have confidence that he never fails to fulfill his purposes at his appointed time.]

Jehovah's appointed time to execute judgment on Babylon was when 70 years had been fulfilled and according to the WTS that happened in 539.

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New African Statue in New York

by LoveUniHateExams in

a new african statue has been unveiled in new york.. .

i'm sorry, but there must be africans looking at this and going 'what the hell is that?

it looks like a f**king alien!

johnamos

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I am still not able to solve this God's name paradox...

by psyco in

i am finishing to read the entire bible (nwt 2013) for my first time (my fault) and i wrote down hundreds, maybe thousands, of questions not clear to me, but one especially came in my mind meditating on god's name.. if i wanted to summarize the entire bible in one phrase i would say (even before the kingdom): god’s name sanctification.. god is jealous about his name.

he does everything for the love of his name, and he wants to be called and prayed using his name.

no doubt about all this (repeated several times in the bible), but it involves the pronunciation of his name.. god left us his name in the form of יהוה which is unpronounceable.

johnamos

God left us His name in the form of יהוה which is unpronounceable.
So, we need to add some vowels יְהֹוָה to pronounce it “Jehovah” in English
The question is: what vowels are they and who added them?
The answer is: they are the vowels of the Hebrew word “Adonai”

First off, you need to get the, 'the vowels came from 'adonai' out of your head. As can be seen that there is the vowel E in Jehovah and there is no E in 'adonai'.

You rightful note that God left us his name in the form יהוה

Here are 4 more names that are consonants only and need vowels added to pronounce:

יוסף יהודה ישעיה יהושע

Those names are:

YeHOshua, YshaYaH, YeHUdaH, YOsef

Notice that the vowels E, O, A, can be found in them. Keep in mind that these names never stopped being written or pronounced. These names have in them the same consonants as the name God left us in regards to his name. The consonants are Y H V. יהו

When you look at the names written in Hebrew you can see these consonants. (YHV) When you look at the names written in English you see the YH but no V. That is because the V is a holding marker for the vowels U and O.

In 3 of the names above the V is in them but 2 are replaced using the O and 1 is replaced using the U. So based on those names you have the vowels E and A and the vowels U and O because of the V.

So here are the vowels we are dealing with to insert in the consonants of God's name: E, O/U, A

Keep in mind that it will be either a O or U, not both. And the O or U replaces the V, they are not added in addition too.

Example:

It is YeHOshua, not YeHOVshua

It is YeHUdaH, not YeHUVdah

Likewise, in using those vowels with the consonants of God's name it would be:

YeHOaH, not YeHOVaH

Or in today's English because we use the J instead of the Y it would be:

JeHOaH, not JeHOVaH

The main take away is that putting aside the mistake of keeping the V in, the appropriate vowels to use for God's name are E, O, A. This is based on the comparison of other Hebrew names (that never stopped being spoken or written) that contain the prefix and suffix of God's name.

Such as:

JeHOshaphat – JeremiaH

JeHOiakim – IsaiaH

JeHOram – NehemiaH

JeHOiachin – ZechariaH

יהו (YeHO) + ה (aH) = YeHOaH/JeHOaH

BTW, the names above YeHOshua, YshaYaH, YeHUdaH, YOsef

Are known today has: JOshua, IsaiaH, JUdaH, JOseph

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Why did Jehovah Kill all the animals in the flood? What purpose did it serve??

by pistolpete in

some of my jw family that is waking up posed that question to my jw family that is still hanging on to jw belief.. the stepbrother that posed that question told me;.

"in all these years of being a jw, i actually never gave it much thought as to why jehovah had to kill millions of innocent animals that had nothing to do with mankind becoming evil.".

i keep picturing in my mind, all the baby puppies and kitties that were destroyed by jehovah.

johnamos

I cannot believe ALL people on earth were evil

I believe children are not evil

You have two statements as to what you believe in regards to evil.

On the first one since you don't believe ALL people are evil does it mean that you believe SOME people are evil?

On the second one since you don't believe children are evil does it mean you believe adults are evil?

In either case do you believe ANYONE is evil and if so do you believe that an evil person deserves to die?

Where did you get your sense of judging what makes a person evil?

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Why did Jehovah Kill all the animals in the flood? What purpose did it serve??

by pistolpete in

some of my jw family that is waking up posed that question to my jw family that is still hanging on to jw belief.. the stepbrother that posed that question told me;.

"in all these years of being a jw, i actually never gave it much thought as to why jehovah had to kill millions of innocent animals that had nothing to do with mankind becoming evil.".

i keep picturing in my mind, all the baby puppies and kitties that were destroyed by jehovah.

johnamos

I cannot believe ALL people on earth were evil and deserved to die.

So based on that statement, you believe evil people deserve to die.

What do you consider evil and where did you get your sense to determine that?