Posts by johnamos

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Nebuchadnezzar's 37th year matches the year 588 or 568 BC?

by Vanderhoven7 in

anybody know something about vat 4956?.

nebuchadnezzar's 37th year matches the year 588 bc?

any independant astronomer can test it and it only matches 568 bc.. .

johnamos

You've put yourself on the horns of a dilemma: Either the Bible contradicts itself, or the WT is incorrect - which do you choose?

[12-1-00 WT– Whatever authority people may arrogate to themselves, you do not have to accept their conclusions if they contradict God, ignore his Word, and violate common sense. In the final analysis, the wise course is always to “let God be found true, though every man be found a liar.” —Romans 3:4.]

[6-1-86 WT– To acquire a complete heart, we must be prepared emotionally to set aside preconceived opinions, willing to let God be found true even if it does demolish some of our pet ideas or cherished doctrinal views. (Romans 3:4)]

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Nebuchadnezzar's 37th year matches the year 588 or 568 BC?

by Vanderhoven7 in

anybody know something about vat 4956?.

nebuchadnezzar's 37th year matches the year 588 bc?

any independant astronomer can test it and it only matches 568 bc.. .

johnamos

Religious convictions are usually diverse from truth and intellectual honesty.So arguing with someone who wants to uphold their religious convictions is like talking to a brick wall.

This is why I feel Bobcat has the best response ever:

'Understood.'

:)

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Nebuchadnezzar's 37th year matches the year 588 or 568 BC?

by Vanderhoven7 in

anybody know something about vat 4956?.

nebuchadnezzar's 37th year matches the year 588 bc?

any independant astronomer can test it and it only matches 568 bc.. .

johnamos

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pL4FYXj0qQQ

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Interesting Find with Chronology

by Kelley959 in

i hope this is in the right area.

i've been studying the 2520 days/years 607/587/586 debacle.

for a while now i have felt 1914 was wrong.

johnamos

Y'all may be making valid points (IDK), but they are irrelevant as it relates to the lunacy of JW world and their explanation of the 70 years.

In that 'Isaiah's Prophecy' quote they actually tear down their own teaching of the 70 years being for the Jews in exile.

They clearly state: 'Evidently, the 70 years represents the period of Babylonia’s greatest domination' and 'the Babylonian Empire falls in 539 B.C.E.'

If the 70 years represents their greatest domination period and it ended in 539 then it must have begun in 609.

That agrees with the following:

[10-1-11 WT p.27 – Instead of saying 70 years “at Babylon,” many translations read “for Babylon.” (NIV) Some historians therefore claim that this 70-year period applies to the Babylonian Empire.]

[10-1-11 WT – According to secular chronology, the Babylonians dominated the land of ancient Judah and Jerusalem for some 70 years, from about 609 B.C.E. until 539 B.C.E. when the capital city of Babylon was captured.]

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Interesting Find with Chronology

by Kelley959 in

i hope this is in the right area.

i've been studying the 2520 days/years 607/587/586 debacle.

for a while now i have felt 1914 was wrong.

johnamos

Nabopolassar 626-605

Nebuchadnezzar 605-562

Nabonidus 556-539

Did these Babylonian kings rule during those years?

Was there a battle in Harran, Assyria in 609 with Nabopolassar and Nebuchadnezzar present?

Did Cyrus king of Persia take Nabonidus king of Babylon captive in 539?

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Interesting Find with Chronology

by Kelley959 in

i hope this is in the right area.

i've been studying the 2520 days/years 607/587/586 debacle.

for a while now i have felt 1914 was wrong.

johnamos

Was Assyria a world power?

Was medo-persia a world power?

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GOTCHA!

by JTrottigy in

so i noticed one of the members here came to my jwtalk website, where i am an important administrator, and tried to join my site.. i check in here every so often and i was able to deduce that person was an apostate fraud, likely bent on polluting my site.

i denied their request to join.. ha!

gotcha!

johnamos

Are you Jerry from Las Vegas? I know where you live.....Ha! GOTCHA!!

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Interesting Find with Chronology

by Kelley959 in

i hope this is in the right area.

i've been studying the 2520 days/years 607/587/586 debacle.

for a while now i have felt 1914 was wrong.

johnamos

Nonsense: If this is really the case then you should be able to tabulate historically when each of those nations served Babylon.

Yes, you're right - that is nonsense. Ironically, the Watch Tower Society actually put it best on this one in Isaiah's Prophecy, volume 1, page 253: True, the island-city of Tyre is not subject to Babylon for a full 70 years, since the Babylonian Empire falls in 539 B.C.E. Evidently, the 70 years represents the period of Babylonia’s greatest domination—when the Babylonian royal dynasty boasts of having lifted its throne even above “the stars of God.” (Isaiah 14:13) Different nations come under that domination at different times. But at the end of 70 years, that domination will crumble.

Wrong!

It is correct that the 70 years represents the period of Babylon's greatest domination. (Which you can see that they state the that domination ended in 539 which logically means it started in 609.)

In is not correct to say that Tyre was not subject to Babylon a full 70 years and different nations came under that domination at different times.

All nations were subject to Babylon for the same 70 years. It started and ended at the same period for all the nations, and that period was from 609 -539, when Babylon was the 3rd world power. (It's greatest domination period.)

Being subject/serving Babylon was not contingent on a nation being destroyed or being brought to Babylon as captives. That only happen as a punishment for not serving willingly.

[Jeremiah 25:11 And all this land will be reduced to ruins and will become an object of horror, and THESE NATIONS will have to serve the king of Babylon for 70 years.”]

[Jeremiah 27:6 And now I have given all these lands into the hand of my servant King Neb·u·chad·nezʹzar of Babylon; even the wild beasts of the field I have given him to serve him. 7 ALL THE NATIONS WILL HAVE TO SERVE him and his son and his grandson until the time for his own land comes, when many nations and great kings will make him their slave.’8 ‘If any nation or kingdom refuses to serve King Neb·u·chad·nezʹzar of Babylon and refuses to put its neck under the yoke of the king of Babylon, I will punish that nation with the sword, with famine, and with pestilence,’ declares Jehovah, ‘until I have finished them off by his hand.’9 Therefore, do not listen to your prophets, your diviners, your dreamers, your magicians, and your sorcerers, who are saying to you: “You will not serve the king of Babylon.” 10 For they are prophesying lies to you, so that you will be taken far away from your land and I will disperse you and you will perish.11 ‘But the nation that brings its neck under the yoke of the king of Babylon and serves him, I will allow to remain on its land,’ declares Jehovah, ‘to cultivate it and dwell in it.]

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Interesting Find with Chronology

by Kelley959 in

i hope this is in the right area.

i've been studying the 2520 days/years 607/587/586 debacle.

for a while now i have felt 1914 was wrong.

johnamos

Babylon certainly received a judgement in 539 with its Fall but Jeremiah focussed on a more permanent judgement, one of desolation foretold from Jer.25: 12 onwards.

Wrong again scholar!

Jeremiah's focus concerning the 70 years was that those 70 years would be the period that Babylon would be a world power and during such time the nations would have to serve Babylon as such. Serving Babylon was not dependent on being in captivity or desolate. The serving started as a result of Babylon becoming a world power and it ended when their time as such a power ended.

[Jeremiah 25: 11 And all this land will be reduced to ruins and will become an object of horror, and THESE NATIONS will have to serve the king of Babylon for 70 years.”’ 12 ‘But when 70 years have been fulfilled, I will call to account the king of Babylon and that nation for their error,’ declares Jehovah,]

[Pay Attention to Daniel’s Prophecy! – The Great Timekeeper, Jehovah, had numbered the days of Babylon’s reign as a world power, and the end was closer than anyone at Belshazzar’s banquet thought.]

[Daniel 5:26 “This is the interpretation of the words: MEʹNE, God has numbered the days of your kingdom and brought it to an end.]

[Isaiah’s Prophecy 1 p. 253-254 par. 21 – Evidently, the 70 years represents the period of Babylonia’s greatest domination]

[Jeremiah 27:6 And now I have given all these lands into the hand of my servant King Neb·u·chad·nezʹzar of Babylon; even the wild beasts of the field I have given him to serve him. 7 ALL THE NATIONS WILL HAVE TO SERVE him and his son and his grandson until the time for his own land comes,’8 ‘If any nation or kingdom refuses to serve King Neb·u·chad·nezʹzar of Babylon and refuses to put its neck under the yoke of the king of Babylon, I will punish that nation with the sword, with famine, and with pestilence,’ declares Jehovah, ‘until I have finished them off by his hand.’9 Therefore, do not listen to your prophets, your diviners, your dreamers, your magicians, and your sorcerers, who are saying to you: “You will not serve the king of Babylon.” 10 For they are prophesying lies to you, so that you will be taken far away from your land and I will disperse you and you will perish.11 ‘But the nation that brings its neck under the yoke of the king of Babylon and serves him, I will allow to remain on its land,’ declares Jehovah, ‘to cultivate it and dwell in it.]

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Interesting Find with Chronology

by Kelley959 in

i hope this is in the right area.

i've been studying the 2520 days/years 607/587/586 debacle.

for a while now i have felt 1914 was wrong.

johnamos

Nonsense you need to study our publications more closely and our comments on Jer. 25:11

Where's the nonsense? The WTS clearly say that God's judgment on Babylon happen in 539.

“The idol-worshiping Babylonians now were in line for God’s judgment to be executed upon them. That happened in 539 B.C.E