Posts by AverageJoe1

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When Will Jehovah`s Witnesses Appoint A Woman As A Governing Body Member.? It`s Long Overdue !

by smiddy3 in

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jehovah himself gives the saying "the women telling the good news are a large army" psalms 68 : 11 coupled with the fact that a good portion of women partake of the emblems and wine at the annual memorial celebration.. identifying themselves as part of the 144000 that are taken from the earth to rule with christ jesus in the heavens.. isn`t it about time they were recognized for their contributions and given the fact that gods word the bible clearly states that 144,000 of anointed are to be taken from the earth which many women are a large part of.?.

revelation ch.14 :4 could be argued that they are not lesbians { "these are the ones who do not defile themselves with women ,in fact they are virgins, etc,etc.}.

i wonder just how many men who claim to be of the anointed have not defiled themselves with women and are virgins.?.

AverageJoe1

Jehovah and Jesus according to the Bible had a decent view of women and can be seen by the prophetesses that have been mentioned by Millie.

Then along comes Apostle Paul who was a male chauvinist even compared to the times back then, and everything changed. At the end of the day, even in some of his letters he stated that “this is just my opinion”.

As Watchtower are so fond of saying, if it doesn’t harmonise with the rest of the Bible then it can’t be the correct interpretation. That said, I can’t see the current GB appointing a woman.

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Crazy JW Comments On AvoidJW.org

by AverageJoe1 in

i read john redwood’s excellent article on avoidjw.org but what was even more mind blowing for me was all the jw comments via disqus at the end of the article:.

http://avoidjw.org/en/news/problems-facing-jw-org/.

they are all the typical lashing out comments based on emotion rather than logical reasoning along with the watchtower apologists thrown in for good measure.. if any of you have a disqus account, then i’d encourage you to have your say.

AverageJoe1

@Xanthippe
I love that the site administrator criticises your comments Joe and then tells everyone to look on jw.borg! He says it twice

The Site Admin is a good friend of mine. It was a JW loyalist (PIMI) that was criticising me!

Yes, the JW.Borg changes were brilliant! ha ha

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Crazy JW Comments On AvoidJW.org

by AverageJoe1 in

i read john redwood’s excellent article on avoidjw.org but what was even more mind blowing for me was all the jw comments via disqus at the end of the article:.

http://avoidjw.org/en/news/problems-facing-jw-org/.

they are all the typical lashing out comments based on emotion rather than logical reasoning along with the watchtower apologists thrown in for good measure.. if any of you have a disqus account, then i’d encourage you to have your say.

AverageJoe1

I read John Redwood’s excellent article on avoidJW.org but what was even more mind blowing for me was all the JW comments via DISQUS at the end of the article:

http://avoidjw.org/en/news/problems-facing-jw-org/

They are all the typical lashing out comments based on emotion rather than logical reasoning along with the Watchtower apologists thrown in for good measure.

If any of you have a disqus account, then I’d encourage you to have your say. I’ve replied to a number of those ridiculous posters but so far have not had a response. Maybe they think they’ve lost God’s favour since I pointed out that they were being disloyal to the Governing Body, erm I mean God, By commenting on there in the first place!

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Are JWs capable of a genuine discussion?

by stuckinarut2 in

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i was just pondering whether jws are capable of having a calm, in depth discussion about religious or faith topics?.

i have just finished listening to a great podcast by "dogma debate" (dan) episode 333. this fantastic, in-depth conversation between a theist and an atheist was a masterful example of how a dignified conversation can take place without it resorting to abruptness or even nastiness.. jws on the other hand seem incapable of having such discussion without ending up in the following ways:.

1)they get dogmatic and defensive if a differing view is presented.. 2)if the conversation doesn't go their way, they cut it short saying something like "well, we had better agree to disagree" or the like.. so why the arrogance?

AverageJoe1

Depends if they still have their power of critical thinking. A few in my congregation have and it leads to some very interesting discussions (and comments in the meetings).

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Leaked 2018 Elders Training Video RE: Elders Reviewing Pionieers

by pale.emperor in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhq5viughny&feature=youtu.be.

quite frankly im disturbed at the lack of love and compassion.

especially for the first sister they talk about!.

AverageJoe1

@stuckinarut2

I thought that too but after having read the accompanying questions in the outline, it’s not! The only thing it states they did wrong was not be better prepared!!!

This can be checked if you look at the outline for this talk. It is number 9 and the questions for the two videos are on pages 2 and 3 (yes there are actually two videos. There appears a pause icon at the 9:34 mark) and here’s a link to the outline in PDF that accompanies this video:

https://jw.servehttp.com/en/kms18.php?is=kms18-E_09.pdf

it’s very judgmental but according to question 7 it would be “unloving” to let her continue as a pioneer. Unbelievable!

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Were visits to the library an important part of your childhood?

by compound complex in

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greetings, fellow bibliophiles:.

i remember how sad i was, as a little child, when our beloved carnegie library was razed (unsafe, structurally).

the same tragedy occurred when we moved to a new town and that similar architectural treasure was demolished to put up a new and gleaming building of steel and glass.

AverageJoe1

Yes indeed. The little library in our village was quite forward-thinking to as you could also rent music records and tapes (and later CDs), including language learning media. We also regularly used the library for school assignments and were allowed to study in there (as it was obviously much bigger than the in-house school one.)

As I come from a family of avid readers, the library has always been part of my life before the Internet age. Now I read everything on my iPad or Kindle. Still love the feel and smell of an old book though.

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Is it 16?

by Jrjw in

hi can anyone tell me if it's true the society says parents must take their child to meetings until they're 16 even if they don't want to?

my ex is being a pain about me not forcing my 12 year old to be a witness.

he doesn't know i'm becoming inactive at moment so i have to be careful how i word things to him.

AverageJoe1

I was brought up to believe I would die at Armageddon if I wasn’t baptised. I asked this question when I was 15 and that’s what my mum told me. She added that since I was old enough to ask that question I was already accountable before Jehovah. That summer I got baptised. Coincidence? I think not!

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Things society interferes with

by Jrjw in

i was just lying here thinking about mind control and thought it'd write a list just to see how much the wts does try to control every aspect of people's lives.

some of the things i've come up with are:.

xmas,.

AverageJoe1

I would question Father’s Day as that is only a very recent celebration as far as I am aware (commerce cottoned on to it not existing and given the commercial success of Mother’s Day....) I don’t even remember it being a thing at school in the 70s and 80s, only Mother’s Day. It is celebrated there on 18th June. Here in Spain on 19th March.

My Dad is not a JW but my mum is and I always give my dad a card and a gift. I’ve never had any grief about it. My mum queried it as she is über JW whilst I’m a PIMO and I said it’s no more pagan than wedding anniversaries that JWs love so much.

According to The Telegraph in the UK: (link)

The idea originated in the USA and has been officially celebrated there on the third Sunday in June since 1966.
The exact origins of what we now know as Father’s Day are disputed, though we do know the movement for a day which celebrated fatherhood began roughly 100 years ago.

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JW.ORG Logo Denied Trademark Status by United States Patent and Trademark Office

by jwleaks in

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the jehovahs witnesses official web site logo incorporating jw.org has been refused registration by the united states patent and trademark office due to similarity to jw player.. section 2(d) refusal likelihood of confusionclass 42. for the reasons set forth below, the refusal under trademark act section 2(d) is now made final with respect to u.s. registration no(s).

this refusal is limited to the class 42 services in the application.. applicants mark is jw.org & design, for use with, inter alia, providing a web site that gives computer users the ability to download audio and video recordings, dvds, music, digital print publications, online publications, documents, forms and web pages all in the field of religion, in class 42. the cited mark is jw player, for use with downloadable computer software for playing, viewing and streaming audio and video files in class 09.. .

documents available to download at jw leaks.. http://jwleaks.org/2014/06/19/jw-org-logo-denied-trademark-status-in-the-united-states/.

AverageJoe1

Anyone have a pdf to download of that document? That website is no longer up and running.

The WTS have this to say in their latest Watchtower so I think they are lying about having trademark protection:

April 2018 Watchtower Study Edition, Pages 30 & 31

As is clearly stated in those Terms, no one is permitted to “post artwork, electronic publications, trademarks, music, photos, videos, or articles from this website on the Internet...”

By securing copyright and trademark protection, we have a legal basis to prevent such misuse.

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What Do You Do if the Household Does Not Celebrate?

by BluesBrother in

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it is christmas morning ....the weather outside looks cold grey and dismal (typical britain in winter ) the house is quiet as my wife gets on with something.

.... the street is silent, as dead as the grave.

the tv is full of the purile nonsense that fills airtime this time of year .

AverageJoe1

At least there’s a new Dr Who on TV! Something to watch amidst all the crap on TV.