" I'm the apostate-buster. "
you sure about that? i don't feel to busted up. nice to see that your humility is still going strong.-nate
to all those who have in some way left the organization (be it disfellowshipping, disassociating, dis-whatever):.
come now, i know the amount of people who "realized that wt doctrine was in serious error" and politely handed in their letter of resignation has to be very small.
the level of bitterness and hostility towards the closest-to-what's-biblical organization has to develop some other way.. what did you do?
" I'm the apostate-buster. "
you sure about that? i don't feel to busted up. nice to see that your humility is still going strong.-nate
to all those who have in some way left the organization (be it disfellowshipping, disassociating, dis-whatever):.
come now, i know the amount of people who "realized that wt doctrine was in serious error" and politely handed in their letter of resignation has to be very small.
the level of bitterness and hostility towards the closest-to-what's-biblical organization has to develop some other way.. what did you do?
stillspouting-you have denied being haughty in a way only a haughty person could. bravo. also your posts have shown that you have now reached the intelligence level of parrots-creatures with the ability to mimic words and expressions drilled into them by others. no offensense, parrots. answering questions posed, with WT rhetoric, IMO, is no proud accomplishment. i have heard, almost verbatim, the same answers from too many witnesses to count. have you encountered fredhall? he seems a most worthy counterpart for you. TR might also have a picture that would help define your problem. thanks for the comic relief, my wife and i have had a good laugh. cheers-nate
p.s.-that's the same wife i am unable to support because of the fact that i smoke.
to all those who have in some way left the organization (be it disfellowshipping, disassociating, dis-whatever):.
come now, i know the amount of people who "realized that wt doctrine was in serious error" and politely handed in their letter of resignation has to be very small.
the level of bitterness and hostility towards the closest-to-what's-biblical organization has to develop some other way.. what did you do?
still- these are your "sharp" returns to my comments? please. i never said smoking is good for me, we all have our weaknesses-even perfect little boy in the bubble you. if i had a job where i couldn't afford to smoke and take care of my wife, i wouldn't smoke, duh.
shouldn't let human imperfections affect me that much? are you kidding me? human imperfection affect EVERY SINGLE ONE of us quite a bit, this also includes you, unless you are perfect.
your complete lack of compassion and your view of reality are refreshing, really.
to all those who have in some way left the organization (be it disfellowshipping, disassociating, dis-whatever):.
come now, i know the amount of people who "realized that wt doctrine was in serious error" and politely handed in their letter of resignation has to be very small.
the level of bitterness and hostility towards the closest-to-what's-biblical organization has to develop some other way.. what did you do?
still, since you like quoting scripture, you might like these-
james 4:6-however, the undeserved kindness which he gives is greater. hence it says:"god opposes the haughty ones, buthe gives undeserved kindness to the humble ones"
4:10-humble yourselves in the eyes of jehovah, and he will exalt you.
to all those who have in some way left the organization (be it disfellowshipping, disassociating, dis-whatever):.
come now, i know the amount of people who "realized that wt doctrine was in serious error" and politely handed in their letter of resignation has to be very small.
the level of bitterness and hostility towards the closest-to-what's-biblical organization has to develop some other way.. what did you do?
still in denial- is your haughtiness something you've learned from the bible? doubt it. it's not really any of your business, but your unchristian attitude intrigued me so much that i had to respond. first of all, most of us do not claim to be sinless. the posters here are very honest about their lives. what did you read that would make you think otherwise?
for myself, yes, i committed "wrongdoings" while in the org., but i also came forward to the elders and repented, just like your supposed to. i wasn't shining on anyone, i was sorry, and i turned away from those things as best i could. when i decided i no longer agreed w/ the WT's views, i walked away. i no longer associated w/ witnesses, and made it clear to those who knew me that i no longer considered myself one. this practice is supposedly recognized as dissassociation in the WT publications even w/out sending a letter.
from then on, i out, i didn't go and hide, i stayed in the same town, where i still am. after 4 years went by and the CO was putting pressure on the local body to be more firm, i was hunted down and disfellowshipped, even after i did send a d/a letter. i was d/fed for smoking, but before you start rubbing your hands together, remember, i had walked away 4 years previously and stopped associating. when i first walked away, i was in good standing.
hope in the future that you actually read that bible you are thumpimg. you might find an eye opener or two on how jesus treated his fellowman.-nate
first, thanks all who welcomed me to this board.
i appreciate your kindness.
i am kind of shy, and fearful, but my keyboard makes me powerful!
hi, truman, welcome to the board:) this practice bothers me as well. i think one byproduct of it is teaching the children while they are very young, that, because they are witnesses, they have the right to judge adults. some children start developing a high and mighty attitude that they don't even fully understand at a very young age. one jw grandmother (only 55years old) told me that her 7 year old grandson had every right to judge people as sinners. WOW!!! just spouting my 2-nate
p.s.forgive me, i'm feeling very cynical today:)
just like the urban legends that we all heard at assemblies, we also read questions from readers in the wts rags...did you guys ever read those while you were still jws and think "oh my god...there is no way that some 8 year old wrote or even said any of this.
" or when you heard at assemblies that we should be soooo thankful because the brothers in africa are walking through gator infested, malarial waters with their children on their backs and their book bags and meeting clothes on their heads, through monsoon rains 74 miles each way to attend their assemblies.
my mother used to say the same thing about cleaning my plate because there were kids in whoknowswhere starving to death.
i just think it's ridiculous that the WT even pretends to welcome questions. the answers are always full of that " it's a conscience matter, but you wouldn't do it if you were a christian" garbage.
i am reading a fascinating book sent to me by a christian friend of mine from online.
it is called the mystery of christ and why we don't get it.
it is written by an episcopal priest.. i am finding it an extremely good read.
thanks, joel.:)-nate
i'm curious: how many years were you in before you left?
by left, i mean either df'd and decided not to go back, or da'd, or faded, or even just realized it was a crock but stuck around anyway for family reasons?.
we're told in la-la-land that it's the newly baptized, those who are "spiritually immature" that mostly leave.
my parents were baptized in '75-i was 1. got baptized at 14, and started to question and drift at 19. by 21 years of age, i wasn't buying it anymore, and by the time i turned 23 i was totally done. i was officially df'ed last year, and i'm 27 now. the more i learn, my decision to leave is only affirmed.
it seems to be the dream of many here to put the wt corperation out of business.
well, i hate to throw a bucket of cold water called reality on your dreams, but it is not likely to happen anytime soon.. the wt society has annual reveune of about $2.5 billion.
that figure was from recent disclosures they had to file as a not-for-profit company.
i would have to chuckle a little if the wt org. fell apart, but i would much rather see them screw themselves than be taken down by others. i too, have rarely, if ever, heard people plotting the demise of the org. on this board. are you having a bad day, newguy?