i see i'm going to have to restock my bar.
isacoolsister-the healthy dialogue you mentioned is exactly what i'm hoping to see more of.:)
riz-you already know how awesome i think you are.
hipikon-you're a man after my own heart.
with all the confrontation/negativity on the board these last few weeks, maybe we all need to sit back and have a drink, or a cup of tea or coffee, if alcohol's not for you.. seriously, i'm not trying to pretend that i haven't gotten caught up in the negativity at times, or trivialize important issues/feelings, but things haven't been as fun, lately.
i've noticed a change even in the short time i've been posting.
i didn't start this topic to point fingers or to act like my opinion is somehow special, but wouldn't it be nice for all of us to see an increase in civility?.
i see i'm going to have to restock my bar.
isacoolsister-the healthy dialogue you mentioned is exactly what i'm hoping to see more of.:)
riz-you already know how awesome i think you are.
hipikon-you're a man after my own heart.
im passionately opposed to the unscriptural practice of disfellowshipping.
i believe that it preys on mankinds worse fears of being left alone, an outcast, a pariah shunned by ones own tribe, a person so reprehensible that even ones very existence is left unacknowledged.
its certainly not the invention of a caring creator, and as for it being a loving act for the dfd one, please dont insult my intelligence.. that being said, i wonder whether or not disfellowshipping can actually be a refuge for the disillusioned witness?
well, englishman, i'm not of the high calibre you mentioned, but i think you have a great point! while there has been a big downside to my d/fing, there has been a positive side too. i haven't heard from the elders since i was d/fed, that is a huge note of positivity! also, when out in public, i don't have to worry about talking to certain people that i didn't want to talk to when i was a witness. yes, i definitely think there is something to what you said. cheers-nate
with all the confrontation/negativity on the board these last few weeks, maybe we all need to sit back and have a drink, or a cup of tea or coffee, if alcohol's not for you.. seriously, i'm not trying to pretend that i haven't gotten caught up in the negativity at times, or trivialize important issues/feelings, but things haven't been as fun, lately.
i've noticed a change even in the short time i've been posting.
i didn't start this topic to point fingers or to act like my opinion is somehow special, but wouldn't it be nice for all of us to see an increase in civility?.
with all the confrontation/negativity on the board these last few weeks, maybe we all need to sit back and have a drink, or a cup of tea or coffee, if alcohol's not for you.
seriously, i'm not trying to pretend that i haven't gotten caught up in the negativity at times, or trivialize important issues/feelings, but things haven't been as fun, lately. i've noticed a change even in the short time i've been posting. i didn't start this topic to point fingers or to act like my opinion is somehow special, but wouldn't it be nice for all of us to see an increase in civility?
i don't have a magic solution, i just thought talking about it might help. maybe not, but it's worth a try. i think that the more we get angry with each other, the further this board moves from the type of place that most of us(?) would like it to be. i know anger and negativity can't always be avoided, but i thought it would be interesting to see how everyone feels about all this. if i'm alone in my opinion, i will bow out. not trying to step on toes-nate
after a transatlantic discussion with my wife we have both reached the conclusion that we will not be posting to this board again.
though we see the board as serving a useful purpose for some, it does not at present suit the path that we have chosen to walk to extract ourselves from the wts.. this board is in an invaluable place for those of you who have recently left the wts and need a place to stretch your wings and share you hurt and pain.
but once we learn to fly, it seems important that we should leave the nest as quickly as possible, lest we become caught in a vacuum between the wts and real life.
i'm with you, riz. good fortune to you, step.:)-nate
i wasn't sure where to post this so i put on the main board.. there are two guys standing at a fork in the road leading to the .
villages of truth and lies respectively.
in the village of truth ppl .
farkel-not trying to put myself in the middle of something or speak for bigboi, but if i had to guess, i think that if it weren't for the fact that you are generally respected as a smart guy, bigboi wouldn't have mentioned you as being "stumped". i would take it as a compliment.
sticking my nose in where no one asked me to-nate.:)
this is my first post on this site... i will post more details of my story later.. my spouse has obtained an unscriptural divorce.
does anyone know where that leaves me as to my being free to remarry?.
i noticed the following in the elders manual, the wording seems to contradict itself.
my first marriage was the same situation. i didn't give up on the marriage until she left. i remember a witness telling me it was unfair, because now i wouldn't be able to find anyone else. i think that is a load!! she left me, and that was her decision, i no longer felt somehow obligated to live a life of celibacy because of a choice someone else made for me. last year i married the most wonderful person i have ever met-guilt free. i needed time to get over my first marriage, but not to decide if i had the right to be happy. this is just my opinion, bubba, i'm sorry for any pain you are going through in this. welcome to the board, i wanted to respond because i know what this situation can be like. feel free to email me, if you want. -nate
...yep, the presiding overseer of our congregation when i was a mere study, said that when the new system is here, the first thing he wants jehovah to do is give him his hair back!
lol!
i thought, dang, is that the only reason you continue to do this garbage?
jws usually envision the paradise in the most petty ways-living in rich people's houses after they are killed, petting the pretty lions, having their children not talk back to them, the list goes on and on. good point, loves, their idea of paradise scares the snot out of me as well.-nate
greetings to the readership:.
there have been reports over time that each kingdom hall keeps a "do not call" list of addresses.
these are addresses in the congregation's territory where, for one reason or another, the jws in the field service are advised not to make calls.
steph20-my dog, ash, can be mailed @pit bull/boxer doesn't like door to door religion....
greetings to the readership:.
there have been reports over time that each kingdom hall keeps a "do not call" list of addresses.
these are addresses in the congregation's territory where, for one reason or another, the jws in the field service are advised not to make calls.
that's a pretty good idea, skimmer, and i'd probably be interested, but for now, my dog works pretty well too.:)-nate
p.s.-my dog works on baptists too.:)
when i moved my family after leaving the jehoagies schmitnesses, i changed my phone number, and made sure it was unlisted.
little did i know that i would soon be receiving a call out of the blue from a jw.. now, this was a woman that i had worked with at one time and we were pretty good friends, so a few years later, when she called, i was kind of glad to hear from her.
the problem was, how did she get my phone number.
TR-if i was in your situation, i would definitely be p****d off! one person getting your number through shady means is very annoying, but at least it could be understood if she did it because she was truly concerned. taking it a step further and giving the number to someone else kind of blows that "truly concerned" idea out of the water, though. i think witnesses actually believe that non-witnesses don't have the same rights as they do, ie, privacy, right to opinion, etc. how sad.
it's funny though, because how would witnesses feel if apostates got numbers of people from their old khs and started calling them up and telling them how wrong witnesses are? they would obviously be outraged. might even inspire a new watchtower study article.:) just one more classic example of jws thinking they are somehow better than everyone else. i think the letter is a great idea, if nothing else, just to give a few diserving people a good scare! hope you don't have to be subjected to anymore "sheperding calls", TR.-nate