jws usually envision the paradise in the most petty ways-living in rich people's houses after they are killed, petting the pretty lions, having their children not talk back to them, the list goes on and on. good point, loves, their idea of paradise scares the snot out of me as well.-nate
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I want my hair back!
by LovesDubs in...yep, the presiding overseer of our congregation when i was a mere study, said that when the new system is here, the first thing he wants jehovah to do is give him his hair back!
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i thought, dang, is that the only reason you continue to do this garbage?
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A modest proposal: A national Do Not Call list
by Skimmer ingreetings to the readership:.
there have been reports over time that each kingdom hall keeps a "do not call" list of addresses.
these are addresses in the congregation's territory where, for one reason or another, the jws in the field service are advised not to make calls.
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steph20-my dog, ash, can be mailed @pit bull/boxer doesn't like door to door religion....
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A modest proposal: A national Do Not Call list
by Skimmer ingreetings to the readership:.
there have been reports over time that each kingdom hall keeps a "do not call" list of addresses.
these are addresses in the congregation's territory where, for one reason or another, the jws in the field service are advised not to make calls.
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that's a pretty good idea, skimmer, and i'd probably be interested, but for now, my dog works pretty well too.:)-nate
p.s.-my dog works on baptists too.:)
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File lawsuit or not?
by TR inwhen i moved my family after leaving the jehoagies schmitnesses, i changed my phone number, and made sure it was unlisted.
little did i know that i would soon be receiving a call out of the blue from a jw.. now, this was a woman that i had worked with at one time and we were pretty good friends, so a few years later, when she called, i was kind of glad to hear from her.
the problem was, how did she get my phone number.
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TR-if i was in your situation, i would definitely be p****d off! one person getting your number through shady means is very annoying, but at least it could be understood if she did it because she was truly concerned. taking it a step further and giving the number to someone else kind of blows that "truly concerned" idea out of the water, though. i think witnesses actually believe that non-witnesses don't have the same rights as they do, ie, privacy, right to opinion, etc. how sad.
it's funny though, because how would witnesses feel if apostates got numbers of people from their old khs and started calling them up and telling them how wrong witnesses are? they would obviously be outraged. might even inspire a new watchtower study article.:) just one more classic example of jws thinking they are somehow better than everyone else. i think the letter is a great idea, if nothing else, just to give a few diserving people a good scare! hope you don't have to be subjected to anymore "sheperding calls", TR.-nate
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Be Thankful
by DevilsAdvocate_DA in"be thankful".
be thankful that we don't already have everything we desire.. if we did, what would there be to look forward to?.
be thankful when we don't know something,.
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nice thought, DA.:)-nate
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mmmm...Sunday mornings
by Kristen insunday mornings are now my most favorite day of the week.. it used to be that i'd get up early and prepare for service or study my wt.
yep, i was one who had her wt highlighted in several colors and had scriptures jotted in the margins.
if i didn't have it underlined, i felt guilty.
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ahh, how sundays have changed for me as well.:) sometimes, my wife and i get up early, pack up the dog and poles, and go fishing on a river about a half an hour away that feels like a whole other world. that's where my "church" is now. even the simple pleasure of getting up, drinking coffe, and mowing the lawn on a beautiful sunday morning is something to be happy about. or waking up to pounding rain, turning up the heater and watching movies with my wife can seem blissful. whatever it is, i think that now i have a better appreciation for what makes me happy, and i realize that it's important to make the time for it without guilt. thanks for the nice thoughts, kristen and others.:)-nate
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Your Top Ten Books
by GinnyTosken ini love the book lists on amazon; i get lost in them for hours.
recently someone asked me for book recommendations, and i thought it would be fun if we shared our lists of top ten books that helped us think our way out of the jw dogma.
im putting aside the obvious ones, like crisis of conscience and apocalypse delayed.. heres my list, in the order i discovered them as best i can recall.. ginny.
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it was hard to pick 10, so i just thought of what are my favorites right now. seems like i have a new favorite all the time, these are classics for me.
"the tao te ching"-has to be in my top 5 if not number 1. introspection-i agree.
"the bible"-no matter what your take on it, a great piece of literature.
"alices adventures in wonderland"-carroll-this book is my longest running favorite. i know, i know.
"thus spoke Zarathustra"-nietzsche-one of his more obscure writings, i admire his confidence in the human being.
"celtic"-t.w. rollestone-a great reference that really helped me get in touch with my ancestral past.
"my name is asher lev"-chaim potok-i found it to be a parallel with growing up as a jw.
"servant of the bones"-anne rice-i just really liked this one.
"lakota woman"-mary crow dog-probably my favorite autobio. ever.
"the metamorphosis"-kafka-i know his writing is weird and disjointed, i like it because it doesn't follow any rules.
"the other bible, ancient esoteric texts"-edited by willis barnestone-opened my eyes to a belief system i was never allowed to investigate when i was younger.
well, that's my spouting. i've enjoyed everyone else's responses, gave me some new ideas for reading material. nate
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Pétition électronique pour Rémi
by chasson inremi 21 ans, atteint de leucemie froudoyante a besoin d'une transfusion pour.
etre traite par chimiotherapie.
si il acceptait ce traitement il aurait 70 a.
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chasson-my french is VERY rusty, so itook forever to get through the post, only to realize people were already translating it.(silly me) i don't have the info. you need but i just wanted to add my support and say that it's fortunate for remi that he has help from you. jesus talked a lot about treating our fellowmen with love, compassion, and support, why is it that the apostates seem to have the jws beat in this regard?hmmmm....-nate
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what brought you out?
by uncle_onion ini was intersted in what brought "you" out.. with me it was the 607 bce thing.
i always followed the org and would have died for it but when i saw the fallacy of the 607 date that blew it for me.
i am now on a quest to try and find something to feel comfortable with.
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so many things, but i guess a big one was being led by men who said they got their info. from god, but, if you ever called them on it, denied being inspired. i'll take my fate in my own hands, thank you very much.-nate
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Did you/Do you actually LIKE Field Service?
by LovesDubs ingod i hated it..every living breathing minute of it.
it was pure hell for me, and based on the pace i see the jws all over the world moving, they aint so fond of it neither.
the persecution that the jws feel they get is from irritated householders who know nothing about their religion except that they hit people over the head with it and then judge them because they dont like being hit over the head with it.
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question:did you/do you actually like field service?
answer:no, no, no, no. not at all. not by a long shot. not even when i was forced to smile. no. my favorite thing was listening to jw's complain about being woken up on saturday morning by salesmen when they decided to take a day off from witnessing to sleep in. what????-nate