Has anyone heard of Peter Barnes? He used to be a CO but apparently has left to start "praising the lord"? I think he used to be in the UK but may have gone to the US?
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Peter Barnes
by uncle_onion inhas anyone heard of peter barnes?
he used to be a co but apparently has left to start "praising the lord"?
i think he used to be in the uk but may have gone to the us?.
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The WT fake chimp (for those who missed it)
by Mr Ben inafter a discussion in the live chatroom i realised some did not know of the watchtowers fake chimp.
i first saw it as a link on janhs old site, but i can no longer find the url for the original, which i believe was from the norwegian agnostic society, or something like that.
the next time a dub calls on you ask them why they are forced to believe that chimpanzees do not have canine teeth.
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now that is a conicidence. I have just started reading " The Blind watchmaker". Has any one else read this and what did they think of it?
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Any ideas?
by uncle_onion inthis weekend i spent the weekend with a few xjws.
we had a nice weekend but eventually we got round to the subject of why i am having a problem accepting that jesus was the messiah.. a friend of one of them came around and he had brought an article which he wanted me to read.
i have scanned the article and have posted it here.
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uncle_onion
This weekend I spent the weekend with a few XJWs. We had a nice weekend but eventually we got round to the subject of why I am having a problem accepting that Jesus was the messiah.
A friend of one of them came around and he had brought an article which he wanted me to read. I have scanned the article and have posted it here. I intend to give him a full knock out response and would appreciate any URL addreesses etc where I can get info.
Here is the article:
Yet another series on TV has attacked the truth of the Gospel accounts of the life of the Lord Jesus. This time it claiyned that Jesus was just an ordinary prophet whom the Church a hundred years later made into a Christ whom they depicted as the divine Son of God, namely the Christ or Messiah prophesied in the Old Testament.
It is interesting that one of the promoters of this programme was a Jewish rabbi who. of course, does not believe that Jesus was the Christ. But if it is admitted that the Old Testament does foretell such a person, whv is it not admitted that Jesus fulfilled all those scriptures? -
Is such criticism to be trusted? After giving an initial false report on the Dead Sea Scrolls before all the. contents had been properly translated and assessed, one critic wrote a repentan, correction 15 ye@irs later saying that he jumped to conclusions on pre-existent assumptions and gave a tabloid journalist a sensational type of report.JESUS - MOST HISTORICAL OF ALL
1 continue to get letters or see in newspapers the assertion that the picture of Jesus in the New Testament is not a factual one. This is often backed up with the assertion that there is little in history about the man Jesus Christ.
Such statements are completely without foundation. They deceive only the people who have no knowledge of the facts.
The New Testament story of the Lord Jesus has three times more evidence of its accuracy than anything about any of the Roman emperors; and many times more written copies of the original accounts. Compared with any event of history, the New Testament has abundantly more reliable documents.
Professor F. F. Bruce of Manchester University says that Caesar's Gallic Wan with which many, students are familiar, has only nine old copies and the oldest of those is 900 years after Caesar's day, yet nobody questions those. In contrast, there are 5000 Greek manuscripts of the New Testament in whole or in part. The oldest full copies go back to about AD 330 and part of St John's Gospel which has survived, actually goes back to within a few years of St John's original writing.. we also have fragments of St Mark's Gospel and St James's letter and 1 Timothy which ai-e around AD 68.
Of the works of the Roman historian, Livy, of Christ's time, only 20 old copies survive. The well-known Roman historian, Tacitus, has only four surviving old copies of his Annals. Contrast both of these with the 5000 old manuscripts of the New Testament.
Concerning the famous history by Herodotus, the oldest copy of the original is 1,300 years after it was written. Professor Bruce conunents,'Yet no classical scho'lar would listen to an argument that the authenticitv of Herodotus was in doubt.'
He then'reviews the wealth of evidence we have for the New Testament and shows what a contrast it is to secular history.
A letter in the press from a sceptic questions whether Jesus Christ really figured in history. The answer is that He did. As many as eight non-
Christian historians of the first century refer to Jesus Christ. They were Tacitus. Suctonius. Serapion. Phlegon, Lucian and Josephus, as well as references by Pliny and Thallus. Also. there are nine antagonist
references to Jesus in the Jewish Talmud writings. In addition, the New Testament itself is more than sufficient evidence. Luke says that he wrote down his account from eyewitnesses carefully and accurately. That accuracy was confirmed by Sir Williarn R~ay. He started by being a sceptic. but he researched all the historical references and dates and incidents which Luke included in his account and found them completely accurate to the last detail.
Professor F.F. Bruce writes, 'Attestation of another kind is provided by allusions to and quotations from the New Testament books in other early writings.' The authors known as the Apostolic Fathers wrote chiefly between AD90 and 160, yet in
their works we find evidence for their acquaintance with most books of the New Testament.This is an extract from the book 'Evidence for truth:
Archaeology'
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uncle_onion
Last week my son sat me down and asked me where did he come from. I though here we go and started to tell him everything."well I met your mother, we fel in love, and a man has a etc etc etc". At the end I wa rather embarressed and I said to him, "Why did you ask?" He replied " well Billy next door comes from London and I wanted to know where I came from"!!!!!
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Your thoughts on this letter please.
by sleepy inhere is an excerpt from a letter from the society.. jehovah has endowed us with free will.
as such he has implanted in us the faculty of choice.
he does not force us to act or think in a certain way, nor does he employ his sevants to do so ( 2 cor 3:17).
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This reasoning is why I am what I am today. The Matthew 24 scripture is the reason why we have to do what we are told....you cant run ahead of the wonderful provision blah, blah...jehovah will correct it in his own time....
A careful investigation of Matthew 24 would clearly show that Jesus was using a parable.If "he" was not then who was the third slave in the "slave" account in Luke 12:41-48.
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go figure!
by uncle_onion inlet me tell you all about my brother.. i love him to bits so please remember this when you are reading this post.. my brother is 20 years old and was away from the "truth" for about a year as he had a "worldly" girlfriend.
about 4 months ago they broke up and suprise, suprise he started attending meetings again!.
two weeks ago, he texted me on my cell phone for my neices number as they had lost touch and were good friends.
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Let me tell you all about my brother.
I love him to bits so please remember this when you are reading this post.
My brother is 20 years old and was away from the "truth" for about a year as he had a "worldly" girlfriend. About 4 months ago they broke up and suprise, suprise he started attending meetings again!
Two weeks ago, he texted me on my cell phone for my neices number as they had lost touch and were good friends. I gave it to him without thinking. About an hour later, he contacted me again and started to be abusive. He said that I should have told him that she was disfellowshipped Blah, blah, blah!!!! He went on for ages as if I had tried to set him up! I told him that it did not matter to me what she had done as she was still my neice. He thought differently!
Well yesterday, he contacted me again to tell me that .......Next thursday it will be announced that he is disfellowshipped! What for? Sleeping with his girlfriend, sleeping with a girl that he met down the pub two weeks ago,smoking and smoking cananbis!His friend dobbed him in and he decided to come clean on everything!
Go figure
UO
PS. It will be interesting to see what my mother does.She told me that if a member of the family (who still lives at home) were to start thinking like me and become an "apostate" she would have no hesitation in throwing them out to protect the rest of the family.
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Today's Tower study and Dateline etc...
by biblexaminer ina few thoughts from this mornings tower study.. .
w10-15-01 ...satan and his wicked world are against us.
enemies may falsely accuse us, even in the courts of the land.
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He has been Fred. take it from me he has been. And unlike you, he puts his money where his mouth is.BTW I had a saying the other day and it reminded me of you Fred....Verbal Diarrhoea!
Have a nice day
UO
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Do you have a Piercing or a Tattoo?
by Sirona inon the vasectomy thread someone mentioned jw opinion of body piercing.
do you have a body piercing or a tattoo?
did you have it done while in the dubs, in secret maybe?
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Me and the missus got tatooed about three weeks ago. She has a Tigger tattoo just above her ankle and I have a chinese symbol on my shoulder.
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Dateline program
by uncle_onion inis there any chance that someone can tape the dateline program for me and get it to me in pal format please?
i would of course pay the expenses.. uo
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Is there any chance that someone can tape the dateline program for me and get it to me in PAL format please? I would of course pay the expenses.
UO
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Can you understand this reasoning?
by uncle_onion ini found this site that says it had the biblical answer for everything!
...www.abundantbible.org so i posed them a question.
he is the dialogue:.
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Hi
I found this site that Says it had the Biblical answer for everything! ...www.abundantbible.org so I posed them a question. He is the dialogue:
Saw your site. You wrote : 8. There would be an increase in earthquakes-Mt 24:2,3,7; Mk 13:8; Lk 21:11. This prophecy is correct. That’s 8 out of 8.
Note: Research from the U.S. Geological Survey, National Earthquake Information Center reveals that in 1986, the total number of earthquakes was 12,718. In 1990, it was 16,612. In 1994, it was 19,371. This will culminate during the Battle of Armageddon, AFTER THE TRIBULATION OF THOSE DAYS. At that time, there will be an earthquake that will shake the world. The cities of the nations will fall.I have contacted the above and they stated that earthquakes have not increased?
Uncle onion
They wrote back:
Thank you for visiting our site. May we suggest that before you accuse someone of publishing false information (lying) that you do a little better research and don't rely on what other people tell you. Do your own research!
Attached to this email is a word document with the statistical charts right off of the Governments website. Look for your self. I have highlighted in red the yearly totals. You may search out the information from their website to verify the charts at the following URL: http://wwwneic.cr.usgs.gov/neis/eqlists/eqstats.html
If they are not increasing then please tell us, exactly what it is you think they are doing?
Thank you
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I wrote back:
I Contacted them a year ago and they told me categorically that Earthquakes are NOT increasing. Ask them yourself and they will tell you (as they told me) that because we have more detection equipment now we recognise more earthquakes. I suggest that you do your own research and ask their opinions of their research and not form your own opinions.
Uncle onion
Them:
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From: [email protected] [mailto: [email protected]]
Sent: 16 November 2001 22:40
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: questionThat's rather peculiar reasoning. If they have more detection equipment and are detecting more earthquakes. Then it would stand to reason that had they possessed the same eauipment during previous years, then those numbers would also be higher. So then, since they did not have said equipment, please explain to us exactly what they are basing their comparisons with since there are supposedly no readings from previous years to compare them?
What kind of time frame are they saying that the quakes are not increasing in? Six months, a year, two years? What? Also, we did not base are statements on their website alone. We also spoke to several people there and found conflicting stories.
We can line up geologist on both sides of the isles to confirm both sides. However, we chose to print the official findings of the agency. Which is as I sent you. And which, I might add is current through 5-2001. If they want to say that these numbers are not accurate, then they should take them off their website and post new findings. Until then, our statement stands!
And just for the record, We really do not put much faith in anything they tell us or post. However, we related their figures because they are the only supposedly reliable source of stats.
I really do not mean this issue to become a point of contention between us. And I think I was a bit sharp with you in my previous email. Please forgive me.
God Bless you.
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Me:
I don’t want to labour the point here.
You wrote:
“That's rather peculiar reasoning. If they have more detection equipment and are detecting more earthquakes. Then it would stand to reason that had they possessed the same eauipment during previous years, then those numbers would also be higher. So then, since they did not have said equipment, please explain to us exactly what they are basing their comparisons with since there are supposedly no readings from previous years to compare them?”
Ask them yourself as I have. They will tell you that the equipment has become more sensitive and therefore erecords more. Ask them yourself and they will tell you that earthquakes are not increasing.
“We can line up geologist on both sides of the isles to confirm both sides.”
Then why do you only quote ones that agree with you. Is that not dishonest?
However, we chose to print the official findings of the agency. Which is as I sent you. And which, I might add is current through 5-2001. If they want to say that these numbers are not accurate, then they should take them off their website and post new findings. Until then, our statement stands!
And just for the record, We really do not put much faith in anything they tell us or post. However, we related their figures because they are the only supposedly reliable source of stats.
Then why do you put it on your web site?
I really do not mean this issue to become a point of contention between us. And I think I was a bit sharp with you in my previous email. Please forgive me.
No problem but I would like an answer back please.
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Now they start geting nasty:
I've got a great idea for you. Since you like asking them stuff. Why don't you ask them why they don't correct their website? Why are they supposedly saying one thing but posting another?
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I wrote back:
For your information, here is the relevant part of their web siteQ: Why are we having so many earthquakes? Has earthquake activity been increasing?
A: Although it may seem that we are having more earthquakes, earthquakes of magnitude 7.0 or greater have remained fairly constant throughout this century and, according to our records, have actually seemed to decrease in recent years. A partial explanation may lie in the fact that in the last twenty years, we have definitely had an increase in the number of earthquakes we have been able to locate each year. This is because of the tremendous increase in the number of seismograph stations in the world and the many improvements in global communications. In 1931, there were about 350 stations operating in the world; today, there are more that 4,000 stations and the data now comes in rapidly from these stations by telex, computer and satellite. This increase in the number of stations and the more timely receipt of data has allowed us and other seismological centers to locate many small earthquakes which were undetected in earlier years, and we are able to locate earthquakes more rapidly. The NEIC now locates about 12,000 to 14,000 earthquakes each year or approximately 35 per day. Also, because of the improvements in communications and the increased interest in natural disasters, the public now learns about more earthquakes. According to long-term records (since about 1900), we expect about 18 major earthquakes (7.0 - 7.9) and one great earthquake (8.0 or above) in any given year. However, let's take a look at what has happened in the past 32 years, from 1969 through 2001, so far. Our records show that 1992, and 1995-1997 were the only years that we have reached or exceeded the long-term average number of major earthquakes since 1971. In 1970 and in 1971 we had 20 and 19 major earthquakes, respectively, but in other years the total was in many cases well below the 18 per year which we may expect based on the long-term average.
See NEIC's Earthquake Statistics webpage for the tables of earthquake counts by magnitude