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  Theocratic Ministry School . . . is still there AND longer?

  by warehouse in

  1. watchtower
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  so i made a timeline based on the leaked letter, it is as follows:.

  edit: updated chart with color, because the html version was crap.

  so i know i might be crazy, but is the theocratic school still there, just called apply yourself to field ministry?

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  avaddohn94

  Pretty much the same. I think they actually starting preparing people by modifying the former Talk No. 4 (nowadays No. 3 I think), which had to ways to be presented: If it was based on the Insight book and assigned to a brother, it remained being a talk, but if it was based on the New World Translation the instructions were as follows:

  When material based on the New World Translation is assigned to a brother, it should be presented as a demonstration of family study or of field service. The assistant should be a member of the student’s family or a brother in the congregation. Usually, the school overseer will assign the assistant and the setting. If an elder is given this assignment to demonstrate the art of teaching, he may select his own assistant and the setting. Additional scriptures that highlight Bible principles that tie in with the theme may be included.

  I somehow think, they were preparing people to accept having a new "school" where the three talks are given as mere demonstrations or presentations.
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  Latest Leaked BOE letter to Elders Oct. 4th

  by Watchtower-Free in

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  october 4, 2015. to all congregations.

  re: new provisions announced atannual meeting.

  dear brothers:.

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  avaddohn94

  Anyone knows why Cedars had to remove the letter from his blog?
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  MEXICO AND CENTRAL AMERICA: WE NEED MORE MONEY!

  by avaddohn94 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this topic was already discussed in the following thread: .

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/451530001/we-need-more-money-letter-sent-mexico-re-jw-broadcasting-may-2015.

  if you don't want to go through the whole thing; basically it is about a letter that was sent by mexico's branch requiring the body of elders to modify the service meeting for this week (september 21) and the following (september 28) in order to watch (again) stephen lett's solicitation for money (may's broadcasting).. so, why a new thread?

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  avaddohn94

  This topic was already discussed in the following thread:

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/451530001/we-need-more-money-letter-sent-mexico-re-jw-broadcasting-may-2015

  If you don't want to go through the whole thing; basically it is about a letter that was sent by Mexico's branch requiring the body of elders to modify the Service Meeting for THIS WEEK (September 21) and THE FOLLOWING (September 28) in order to watch (AGAIN) Stephen Lett's solicitation for money (May's broadcasting).

  So, why a new thread? Well, I just wanted to know if any of the friends from other regions is experiencing these same changes in their service meetings or if actually this modification turned out to be only for Mexico and Central America.

  You may read the original letter HERE (in Spanish) or else, a translation in the abovementioned topic.
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  Anthony Morris III: Jehovah Blesses Obedience

  by wifibandit in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  http://tv.jw.org/#video/vodprogramsevents/pub-jwbmw_201509_1_video.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mf9j7qs7bvm.

  obey.

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  avaddohn94

  You probably missed this:
  

  Now, this consideration belongs to Wednesday May 13, 2015 and they've just uploaded it? After four months?
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  Anthony Morris III: Jehovah Blesses Obedience

  by wifibandit in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  http://tv.jw.org/#video/vodprogramsevents/pub-jwbmw_201509_1_video.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mf9j7qs7bvm.

  obey.

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  avaddohn94

  So "exciting"... Reminds me of this:

  www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktdCAbvGeME

  Now, this consideration belongs to Wednesday May 13, 2015 and they've just uploaded it? After four months?

  There's something odd as to the reasons but I think more and more friends may be questioning their authority and they just can't find a way to control the masses...
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  TV.JW.ORG (September 2015) - Generation explained again

  by Designer Stubble in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  guess the overlapping generation concept is difficult for most to comprehend.

  david spane does his best to explain it again.

  the cutoff date for this generation has now moved to 1992 (was once 1935), the year that fred franz died.

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  avaddohn94

  Here's the link to the chart.

  I believe only the baptism dates for Chitty and Greenlees are approximate. The rest of the data seems pretty accurate to me, but then again, if anyone finds data that might be reviewed, feel free to do so.

  Best regards,

  Avaddohn

  Link: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1wh9N8ghadpOLSV-C8f4SWFUZQmzfhzxdzH3__oqS3iI/edit?usp=sharing
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  TV.JW.ORG (September 2015) - Generation explained again

  by Designer Stubble in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  guess the overlapping generation concept is difficult for most to comprehend.

  david spane does his best to explain it again.

  the cutoff date for this generation has now moved to 1992 (was once 1935), the year that fred franz died.

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  avaddohn94

  Of course Wifibandit! I'll send it in a PM! I've been going through it and only two dates of baptism are given as an approximate. I'll provide more details in the PM!
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  TV.JW.ORG (September 2015) - Generation explained again

  by Designer Stubble in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  guess the overlapping generation concept is difficult for most to comprehend.

  david spane does his best to explain it again.

  the cutoff date for this generation has now moved to 1992 (was once 1935), the year that fred franz died.

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  avaddohn94

  I find this chart interesting when talking about "generations".

  Even though Russell is not being considered part of the faithful and discreet slave, I think this chart clearly shows how we pass from one generation to another and the fact that the "overlapping" explanation could be applied to thousands of generations (you could stretch it as far as you may want to or need to).

  The chart specifies the year when the person was born and baptized. How old they were when they were baptized, the year when they were appointed to the GB or Board of Directors or whatever you may want to call it, how old they were when they were "appointed", those who resigned, the year when they died and how many years they were part of the governing body and at what age they died.

  I have copied the data in a separate chart and boy, you can really play around these statistics. For instance, you can identify those who baptized before reaching 15 years old and even make projections for the current members. You can see that Mark Sanderson was born 113 years after Russell and that he was only 10 when he baptized etc.

  Anyway, the point is that if we consider the term generation according to its actual definition; i.e., the average length of time between the birth of parents and the birth of their children (Merriam Webster's) which in most countries ranges from 20 to 30 years; since 1852 the world has seen nearly 8 generations. Currently, we're saying goodbye to those who were born in the 1930s (4 generations after Russell's) and there's no way in which any "scaremonger" can change that...

  
  
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  TV.JW.ORG (September 2015) - Generation explained again

  by Designer Stubble in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  guess the overlapping generation concept is difficult for most to comprehend.

  david spane does his best to explain it again.

  the cutoff date for this generation has now moved to 1992 (was once 1935), the year that fred franz died.

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  avaddohn94

  And to think that for over a decade, we were told to believe quite the opposite. The "Generation" teaching is a clear example of a doctrine that shifts back and forth with most people just shrugging their shoulders and accepting whatever crap they're told.

  This is from the Watchtower article, "Questions From Our Readers" dated June 1, 1997, pg. 28:

  Questions From Our Readers

  “The Watchtower" of November 1, 1995, focused on what Jesus said about "this generation" as we read Matthew 24:34. Does this mean that there is some question about whether God's kingdom was set up in heaven in 1914?
  

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  With similar sincere intentions, God’s servants in modern times have tried to derive from what Jesus said about “generation” some clear time element calculated from 1914. For instance, one line of reasoning has been that a generation can be 70 or 80 years, made up of people old enough to grasp the significance of the first world war and other developments; thus we can calculate more or less how near the end is.

  However well-meaning such thinking was, did it comply with the advice Jesus went on to give? Jesus said: “Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father. . . . Keep on the watch, therefore, because you do not know on what day your Lord is coming.”—Matthew 24:36-42.
  

  So the recent information in The Watchtower about “this generation” did not change our understanding of what occurred in 1914. But it did give us a clearer grasp of Jesus’ use of the term “generation,” helping us to see that his usage was no basis for calculating—counting from 1914—how close to the end we are."

  Back in the 90's besides this kind of more balanced teaching, we also had the 'higher education' policy softened a little bit. I believe Barbara Anderson has explained something regarding the liberals vs. the hard-liners but I often wonder who the liberals were (and if any remain maybe not as part of the GB but within the "helpers" group).
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  Angola BANS ISLAM and MUSLIMS. Calls it a sect.

  by PaintedToeNail in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  angola has banned islam and closed the mosques, saying that it is a sect and counter to the culture of the country.. http://www.worldbulletin.net/headlines/163865/angola-bans-islam-shuts-down-mosques .

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  avaddohn94

  I believe this is an old story that resurfaces every now and then. Now, I may be wrong but if you search the web, you will find the Angolan government denying the same note almost two years ago.

  
  http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/nov/28/angola-accused-banning-islam-mosques

  Like I said, maybe this time it's for real but, I think such a report would have been more spread by renowned agencies and media if it were true.