Posts by alecholmesthedetective

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How the new light on the domestics may backfire on the Watchtower Society

by yadda yadda 2 in

the new light is a bit of give and take by the gb.

they have taken upon themselves the title of the faithful and discreet slave, in exchange for pushing the 'appointment over all of his [christ's] belongings' out into the future, and also in exchange for allowing the earthly class to be counted as 'domestics'.

the gb can now totally lord it as kings over the flock in exchange for having "dignified" them by including them as domestics.

alecholmesthedetective

If only any of the R&F dared to think just a little for themselves and wondered how is it that for all this time the 'great crowd' wasn't considered part of the domestics and now, just like that, in the snap of a finger, "Er, well, you know, we've been thinking and actually, yes! The Great Crowd can be considered part of the dometics!"

Where is the evidence/basis on which they base this 'new light' and then what was the evidence/basis on which they based the old one (i.e., the domestics are only anointed ones because only they are in the new covenant [?])?

If only they dared to consider these points from a logical point of view just for a little while.

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Hi! I'm New Here

by alecholmesthedetective in

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friends

hi there, as was suggested to me, i'm starting this thread to say hi to everyone.. my awakening began recently, after the new light on the 'slave'.

i felt it didn't add up and went to check and found out ttatt.

for a while i tried to find evidence of whether the wt might still be god's organization, i needn't say i couldn't.. i had already resigned as a ministerial servant and a pioneer, had already had several issues with the elders and did not put up with their nonsense for a long.

alecholmesthedetective

LOL Paul/Punkofnince, exactly. When I did my research recently and came across all the stupid generation changes I pinched myself and asked, "Where the hell were you when this happened and how come didn't you realize it sooner?" And then I remembered I was either just not going to meetings, or just trying to solve problems with elders whilst still trying to hang on to my faith. So, now with the New Light (TM) and all the research I did I found all the evidence I needed to see that a lot of the problems that happen inside the org are simply symptomatic of a sick mind-control cult.

God, that's right the GB gets ever more deluded as each day goes by. It's both hilarious and angering at the same time.

Yes, I am waking to the reality that whatever truth is out there has to stand up to scrutiny and be backed up by evidence. I am very open-minded now and I feel that I owe it to myself to research the Bible without WT bias and publications and test everything. I've got an agnostic girlfriend who is very pragmatic about these things, so it's good because her unbiased questioning perspective nudges me in the right direction.

I love this quote from the Sherlock Holmes stories:

"Circumstantial evidence is a very tricky thing. It may seem to point very straight to one thing, but if you shift your own point of view a little, you may find it pointing in an equally uncompromising manner to something entirely different."

Thanks a lot for the support, I will keep posting.

Alec

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Is the Truth so delicate?

by Socrateswannabe in

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the gb brooks no questions or dissention.

their brand of truth seems quite delicate and incapable of standing up to scrutiny.

"the truth is incontrovertible.

alecholmesthedetective

Discovering the stability of REAL truth is quite a disturbing and refreshing journey. Keep at it, AH. You sound like you're enjoying the process.

It sure is, Irondork. I will. Oh, I really am. Keeping a low profile means controlling what I say and to whom, nevertheless, I do do some occasional sparring with a friend who is "waking" but still hangs on to the org mainly because all his friends are there. Well, it's funny to see that sometimes he can't win because he comes out with some WT indocrination crap which doesn't hold water when scrutinized and just drops the whole things.

WT crap doesn't stand up to close scrutiny. LOL

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Is the Truth so delicate?

by Socrateswannabe in

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friends

the gb brooks no questions or dissention.

their brand of truth seems quite delicate and incapable of standing up to scrutiny.

"the truth is incontrovertible.

alecholmesthedetective

It's funny to see and compare the Watchtower's claims with Jesus's...

John 14:6 Jesus said to him: "I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me ."

So Jesus says he is the truth, but the WT not only doesn't acknowledge him when speaking of understanding the bible, but also says they are the only ones through whom 'truth' can be understood:

"Thus the Bible is an organizational book and belongs to the Christian congregation as an organization, not to individuals, regardless of how sincerely they may believe that they can interpret the Bible. For this reason the Bible cannot be properly understood without Jehovah's visible organization in mind." Watchtower 1967 Oct 1 p.587

Another point I found on JWFacts.com, was that Jesus says that he is the only way to God, whereas the WT says...

"Through the new covenant, Jehovah makes blessings available to many by means of a few. Those in the covenant are few, a mere 144,000. Through them , millions from all nations will be blessed with everlasting life in an earthly paradise. Some who are in the new covenant serve Jehovah on earth today. They alone properly partake of the bread and the wine because the cup "means the new covenant."" Watchtower 2012 Mar 1 p.17

Makes you think, doesn't it?

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Imagine if the GB called you in for questioning

by nolongerconfused in

what would you tell or ask these group of men if they called you in for a meeting?.

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alecholmesthedetective

So what does the Bible really teach?

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New Girl

by excitesinceredetermination in

hello to everyone :) i wanted to introduce myself as a newbie.

i was raised in and i am currently on active status due to most of my family being very much in, but i am so ready to be done and have felt that way for quite some time.

internally i know this is not the right religion without a doubt.

alecholmesthedetective

Welcome Excite! I'm a newbie here myself, and I'm so glad to have found this site.

I second everyone's counsel, I totally agree with ABibleStudent, your circumstances will have a bearing on how you should proceed.

And just as OneDayillBeFree I benefited much from JWFacts.com. I also love JWSurvey.org.

Welcome!

Alec

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Hi! I'm New Here

by alecholmesthedetective in

jw
friends

hi there, as was suggested to me, i'm starting this thread to say hi to everyone.. my awakening began recently, after the new light on the 'slave'.

i felt it didn't add up and went to check and found out ttatt.

for a while i tried to find evidence of whether the wt might still be god's organization, i needn't say i couldn't.. i had already resigned as a ministerial servant and a pioneer, had already had several issues with the elders and did not put up with their nonsense for a long.

alecholmesthedetective

Thank you very much everyone. You're all great.

Alec

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Hi! I'm New Here

by alecholmesthedetective in

jw
friends

hi there, as was suggested to me, i'm starting this thread to say hi to everyone.. my awakening began recently, after the new light on the 'slave'.

i felt it didn't add up and went to check and found out ttatt.

for a while i tried to find evidence of whether the wt might still be god's organization, i needn't say i couldn't.. i had already resigned as a ministerial servant and a pioneer, had already had several issues with the elders and did not put up with their nonsense for a long.

alecholmesthedetective

Thank you everyone! It's so gooooood to know there are other open-minded people out there. You're all very smart and witty and it's just great to be here.

People like us need support and this site is amazing for that.

I will follow all your recommendations!

@Robert/ABibleStudent, I will check the video, the website and the books!

@Newly Enlightened, amen! And peace to you too, I have no doubt that the truth can stand up to scrutiny.

@insearchoftruth4, yeah the truth really sets us free!

@BorgHater, thank you for the very cool card!

@WingCommander, exactly! I now eagerly wait to see the next changes they'll come up with, can you imagine?

@Pickler, I'll mind my sleeping hours LOL

Thank you all

Alec

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Hi! I'm New Here

by alecholmesthedetective in

jw
friends

hi there, as was suggested to me, i'm starting this thread to say hi to everyone.. my awakening began recently, after the new light on the 'slave'.

i felt it didn't add up and went to check and found out ttatt.

for a while i tried to find evidence of whether the wt might still be god's organization, i needn't say i couldn't.. i had already resigned as a ministerial servant and a pioneer, had already had several issues with the elders and did not put up with their nonsense for a long.

alecholmesthedetective

Hi there, as was suggested to me, I'm starting this thread to say hi to everyone.

My awakening began recently, after the new light on the 'slave'. I felt it didn't add up and went to check and found out TTATT. For a while I tried to find evidence of whether the WT might still be God's organization, I needn't say I couldn't.

I had already resigned as a ministerial servant and a pioneer, had already had several issues with the elders and did not put up with their nonsense for a long. Favouritism, politics, etc.

There are so many things to read and investigate, I'm looking forward to keeping searching and learning and living life free of the shackles I was under, as I was born in the cult and got baptized when I was 12. I really, really believed it, and thought it was the best way to live your life especially since the end was sooooo imminent. I haven't lost my faith in God or the bible, but I feel we must keep testing our beliefs, because if they are true, they will stand the test.

I'm really happy to have found this forum with so many like-minded people. I'm having a very good time here and you're all great.

Alec Holmes

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New Member-Active Elder

by Promitheas in

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i'm a new member & i'd like to say hi to everyone, intoducing myself.. i am a 3rd generation born-in at mid 50's & an active elder.. english is not my mother language, so pls ignore any grammatical errors.

i live in a small country in europe.. i'd like to thank you for all information posted.

some of them have rally helped me to understand and examine again my beliefs.. last new light concerning f&ds=gb has verified the idea that they are popes in the position op pope.. i still believe in god & in his son jesus christ but not in the gb..

alecholmesthedetective

Thanks Found Sheep!