Posts by venus

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Making Every Thought Captive To Christ(Washing the Brain Of Good Reasoning)

by Brokeback Watchtower in

not a very good idea to say the least.

when i read paul's words the more i see how delusional the guy was.

he was a genuine religious fanatic who contradicts jesus words on the sermon on the mount.. 2 corinthians 10:5 5we demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of god, and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to christ.. delusional and in need of some serious psychological help.

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Paul is so innocent that he is willing to admit he is not inspired:

2 Cor. 11:17, "That which I am speaking, I am not speaking as the Lord would, but as in foolishness, in this confidence of boasting."

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Isn’t concept of sinner itself faulty?

by venus in

a person may sometimes get swelling on his leg and may have limped a few times—but he is never called lame.

similarly, sometimes a person may slip into selfishness and use his free-will to his own harm or to the harm of others—but this does not make him a sinner because the ability to do the contrary (ability choose to commit virtuous act to any extent) too exists in him.

if one’s occasional sinning does not make him a sinner, sin of another person (such as first human couple) can never make others sinners.

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A person may sometimes get swelling on his leg and may have limped a few times—but he is never called lame. Similarly, sometimes a person may slip into selfishness and use his free-will to his own harm or to the harm of others—but this does not make him a sinner because the ability to do the contrary (ability choose to commit virtuous act to any extent) too exists in him. If one’s occasional sinning does not make him a sinner, sin of another person (such as first human couple) can never make others sinners. That means there cannot be something called original sin. If there is no original sin, there is no need for God to send one of His children to die for the sins of other children. Interestingly, Jesus himself testifies that God sent him from heaven not to die for any body’s sin. (Mathew 21:33-36) Even if he is murdered (which is a sin), how can that be a means for atonement of sins of others—sin atoning sin? Besides, murder doesn’t really count if he gets to come back to life three days later.

When I asked these questions to my Elders, they said these are apostate questions, hence don’t ask such questions. If you’re not allowed to ask questions, how do you know you have the right religion?

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Why the vitriolic hate?

by stuckinarut2 in

i am sure we have all thought of this before, but it struck me again today:.

why does the society promote such vitriolic hate toward, and about those who have left "the truth" ?.

surely it is obvious that such critical attitudes towards ones like us who have left, only serves to proove that they do not have "the truth"?.

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pale.emperor,

Excellent points.

Because JWs are worried about giving an answer to the taunt of Satan, they approach everything with worry, anxiety, fear, and that adds to the problem. This makes them negative in their perspective—especially towards those who left them whom they view as the henchmen of Satan.

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Why the vitriolic hate?

by stuckinarut2 in

i am sure we have all thought of this before, but it struck me again today:.

why does the society promote such vitriolic hate toward, and about those who have left "the truth" ?.

surely it is obvious that such critical attitudes towards ones like us who have left, only serves to proove that they do not have "the truth"?.

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Because they want to nullify what Jesus said: "If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect." (Mathew 5:46-48) Thus they want to identify themselves with "tax collectors."

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Concept faithful discreet slave

by inbetween09 in

according to the "new light" the faithful slave class appeared after jesus came 1914 (rather 1918 he inspected the temple) and was bestowed with assigement to provide spiritual food.. there are a number of problems with this new concept:.

how did russel and co found out about certain unique teachings diffferent from mainstream christendom?.

option 1) apparently by himself, as there was no fds at his time.

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Power struggle seen following the death Russel shows no faithful and discreet slave class had been appointed by Jesus

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“For God so love the world …

by deegee in

... that he gave his only begotten son, that whosoever believeth in him shall not be destroyed but have everlasting life” (john 3:16).. it just occurred to me that if parents were to follow this scripture, they would put their children to death if their children don’t obey/agree with them.

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But God had no idea as to what would happen to Jesus when he sent him on to earth (Mathew 21:33-39)

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God doesn’t foresee/foretell future

by venus in

if god foresee/foretell future, he could definitely have foreseen the communication revolution we experience today and sent jesus in the first half of 21st century [instead of first century] where the whole world could watch him performing miracles live as we watched will tsai, a young japanes visualist who brings dead fish back to life in america's got talent 2017—especially because god’s will is that “everyone is to be saved” (1 timothy 2:4)-- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9af4wvd6cz0.

if god does foresee future, it would mean that incident are foreordained in which case it is not foreseeing.

but truth is that he has not fixed events.

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If God foresee/foretell future, He could definitely have foreseen the communication revolution we experience today and sent Jesus in the first half of 21st century [instead of first century] where the whole world could watch him performing miracles live as we watched Will Tsai, a young Japanes Visualist who brings dead fish back to life in AMERICA'S GOT TALENT 2017—especially because God’s will is that “everyone is to be saved” (1 Timothy 2:4)-- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aF4wVD6cZ0

If God does foresee future, it would mean that incident are foreordained in which case it is not foreseeing. But truth is that He has not fixed events. For example, He sent Jesus on to earth with some expectation, yet things went in opposite direction.—Mathew 21:33-39

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Why is Enoch referenced in the bible but his book omitted?

by Ursula in

why is enoch referenced in the bible but his book omitted?.

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Interestingly, writers of Bible themselves did not consider other writers are not inspired, hence profusely made references when each one wrote his portion of the Bible. For example:

· The Book of Jasher (whose title fully translated means the Book of the Upright or the Book of the Just) is mentioned inJoshua 10:13 and 2 Samuel 1:18 and also referenced in 2 Timothy 3:8.[1] From the context in the Book of Samuel it is implied that it was a collection of poetry. Several books have claimed to be this lost text, some of which are discounted as pseudepigrapha. Certain members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints secured the copyright to one of these and republished the work in 1887 in Salt Lake City.

· The Book of the Wars of the Lord.[2] Referenced at Numbers 21:14 with possible association with War of the Sons of Light Against the Sons of Darkness. Also cited The Book of the Wars of the LORD is cited in the medieval Book of Jasher (trans. Moses Samuel c. 1840, ed. J. H. Parry 1887) Chapter 90:48 as being a collaborative record written by Moses, Joshua and the children of Israel.

· The Chronicles of the Kings of Israel and Chronicles of the Kings of Judah are mentioned in the Books of Kings (1 Kings 14:19,29). They are said to tell of events during the reigns of Kings Jeroboam of Israel and Rehoboam of Judah, respectively. The Chronicles of the Kings of Israel is again mentioned in 1 Kings 16:20 regarding King Zimri, and many other times throughout 1 and 2 Kings.

· The "Book of Shemaiah, and of Iddo the Seer" (also called Story of the Prophet Iddo or The Annals of the Prophet Iddo) is mentioned in the 2nd Book of Chronicles. (2 Chronicles 9:29, 2 Chronicles 12:15, 2 Chronicles 13:22). Iddo was a seer who lived during the reigns of Solomon, Rehoboam, and Abijah. His deeds were recorded in this book, which has been completely lost to history, save for its title. However, it is interesting to note that Zechariah was the son of Iddo, but this was likely not the same Iddo. (Ezra 5:1, Zechariah 1:1)

· The Manner of the Kingdom.[3]
Referenced at 1 Samuel 10:25.

· The Acts of Solomon.[4]
Referenced at 1 Kings 11:41.

· The Annals of King David.[5]
Referenced at 1 Chronicles 27:24.

· The Book of Samuel the Seer. Also called Samuel the Seer or The Acts of Samuel the Seer, which could be the same as1 & 2 Samuel.[6]
Referenced at 1 Chronicles 29:29.

· The Book of Nathan the Prophet. Also called Nathan the Prophet or The Acts of Nathan the Prophet or History of Nathan the Prophet.[6]
Referenced at 1 Chronicles 29:29, and also 2 Chronicles 9:29.

· The Book of Gad the Seer.[7]
Referenced at 1 Chronicles 29:29.

· The Prophecy of Ahijah,[8] might be a reference to 1 Kings 14:2–18.
Referenced at 2 Chronicles 9:29.

· The Book of the Kings of Judah and Israel.[9]
Referenced in 2 Chronicles 16:11, 2 Chronicles 27:7 and 2 Chronicles 32:32. Might be the same as 1 & 2 Kings.

· The Book of Jehu,[10] could be a reference to 1 Kings 16:1–7.
Referenced at 2 Chronicles 20:34.

· The Story of the Book of Kings.[11]
Referenced at 2 Chronicles 24:27.

· The Acts of Uziah. Also called The Book by the prophet Isaiah. Perhaps the same as the Book of Isaiah.[6]
Referenced at 2 Chronicles 26:22.

· The Vision of Isaiah.[12]
Referenced at 2 Chronicles 32:32.

· The Acts of the Kings of Israel. Also called The Acts and Prayers of Manasseh.[13] May be identical to The Book of the Kings of Israel, above.
Referenced at 2 Chronicles 33:18.

· The Sayings of the Seers.[14]
Referenced at 2 Chronicles 33:19.

· The Laments for Josiah. Also called Lamentations. This event is recorded in the existing Book of Lamentations.
Referenced at 2 Chronicles 35:25.

· The Chronicles of King Ahasuerus.[15]
Referenced at Esther 2:23, Esther 6:1, Esther 10:2, and Nehemiah 12:23.

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Why is Enoch referenced in the bible but his book omitted?

by Ursula in

why is enoch referenced in the bible but his book omitted?.

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The apostate Christendom scholars decided what is to be accepted into canon--hence anything was possible.

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Exposing the Core Premise of JW False Teaching

by TerryWalstrom in

poison is at work in any argument with jehovah's witnesses.

this poison has little to do with the beauty of watchtower logic or the tasty morsels of jw reasoning.. the poison is odorless and tasteless and it has absorbed into their core premise: scripture interpretation directed by jehovah.. if you buy into the core premise (somebody possesses a divinely granted access to an infallible source of truth) you are already dead in the water.. that is the deal breaker.

false premises lead always to false conclusions.. stop right here.. the core misrepresentation of christianity solely rests in accepting the bible as the inerrant word of almighty god.

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Matter is very simple. If "There is no original manuscript preserved to be used to prove anything at all" it means God has not authorized the writing of scriptures. If he has, it follows that he must also take measures to preserve it.

And also, misinterpretation is the mother of all scriptures--hence we have many scriptures and interpretation--God must be laughing seeing all these fun.