You are asking: "what are you hoping to achieve?"
What you people are achieving by saying no God exists, I accomplish the same by saying God exists--nothing more or less.
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102If mathematics teacher made a mistake, would it mean mathematics itself is wrong!
by venus inmany people point to the irrationality in the depiction of god by the religions and their scriptures, hence jump into the bottomless pit of atheism.
in either camp, god is not a factor because religion is only a means that misrepresents god, hence religionists themselves are atheists (literally, those who live without god).
it is like saying there exists no earth because you found out your friend who taught earth is flat is wrong; or it is like saying mathematics itself is wrong because you found out your mathematics teacher made a mistake.
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If mathematics teacher made a mistake, would it mean mathematics itself is wrong!
by venus inmany people point to the irrationality in the depiction of god by the religions and their scriptures, hence jump into the bottomless pit of atheism.
in either camp, god is not a factor because religion is only a means that misrepresents god, hence religionists themselves are atheists (literally, those who live without god).
it is like saying there exists no earth because you found out your friend who taught earth is flat is wrong; or it is like saying mathematics itself is wrong because you found out your mathematics teacher made a mistake.
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Onager
You say "Energy and Conscious Energy are two completely different things, and ask: "who created the conscious energy?"
If a ship on the shipyard is constructed by somebody, then a running ship in the waters majestically is also constructed by somebody. Similarly, what applies to energy applies also to conscious energy. Just because an adjective is used against energy, why do you see it as different from energy?
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If mathematics teacher made a mistake, would it mean mathematics itself is wrong!
by venus inmany people point to the irrationality in the depiction of god by the religions and their scriptures, hence jump into the bottomless pit of atheism.
in either camp, god is not a factor because religion is only a means that misrepresents god, hence religionists themselves are atheists (literally, those who live without god).
it is like saying there exists no earth because you found out your friend who taught earth is flat is wrong; or it is like saying mathematics itself is wrong because you found out your mathematics teacher made a mistake.
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Cofty describes me as ignorant because I do not treat evolution as a fact!
Evolution theory does not even qualify to be a grandmother’s story because it violates vital laws of Science.
The main scientific reason why there is no evidence for evolution in either the present or the past is because one of the most fundamental laws of nature precludes it. The law of increasing entropy -- also known as the second law of thermodynamics -- stipulates that all systems in the real world tend to go "downhill," as it were, toward disorganization and decreased complexity. Against this downhill trend, even God Almighty cannot make evolution possible!
This law of entropy is, by any measure, one of the most universal, best-proved laws of nature. It applies not only in physical and chemical systems, but also in biological and geological systems -- in fact, in all systems, without exception.
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Satan in Heaven
by pleaseresearch inthis has always baffled me.
that is why was satan and his demons allowed to be in heaven for so long after they split from god?.
if we did that then we are out of the congregation, members are shunned and also kicked out of families homes.
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The inventors of Satan were under the necessity of giving to the being whom they call Satan, a power equally as great as the Almighty. They have also made that power increase afterward to infinity. Before fall of this Satan-turned-angel they represent him only as an angel of limited existence, as they represent the rest. After his fall, he becomes, by their account, omnipresent. He exists everywhere, and at the same time, even influencing our thoughts. Have not heard religionists lament—Satan put the thoughts into our minds!
ape from me diverting the subject dragging the name of some organization with which I do not have any connection.
Simply put, I was saying: “look at me, I am alone, and a woman ready to take on all you atheists.”
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If mathematics teacher made a mistake, would it mean mathematics itself is wrong!
by venus inmany people point to the irrationality in the depiction of god by the religions and their scriptures, hence jump into the bottomless pit of atheism.
in either camp, god is not a factor because religion is only a means that misrepresents god, hence religionists themselves are atheists (literally, those who live without god).
it is like saying there exists no earth because you found out your friend who taught earth is flat is wrong; or it is like saying mathematics itself is wrong because you found out your mathematics teacher made a mistake.
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Punkofnice,
You asked: ready to take on all you atheists. I challenge you. What for?
I was contrasting my position with that of Cofty who was often trying to escape from me diverting the subject dragging the name of some organization with which I do not have any connection.
Simply put, I was saying: “look at me, I am alone, and a woman ready to take on all you atheists.”
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If mathematics teacher made a mistake, would it mean mathematics itself is wrong!
by venus inmany people point to the irrationality in the depiction of god by the religions and their scriptures, hence jump into the bottomless pit of atheism.
in either camp, god is not a factor because religion is only a means that misrepresents god, hence religionists themselves are atheists (literally, those who live without god).
it is like saying there exists no earth because you found out your friend who taught earth is flat is wrong; or it is like saying mathematics itself is wrong because you found out your mathematics teacher made a mistake.
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snare&racket
You say “I am lost. Reach out to my intelligence and reason with logic.”
This is because you did not read the OP with thoughtfulness.
Try again, you will find it in it “intelligence and reason with logic.”
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If mathematics teacher made a mistake, would it mean mathematics itself is wrong!
by venus inmany people point to the irrationality in the depiction of god by the religions and their scriptures, hence jump into the bottomless pit of atheism.
in either camp, god is not a factor because religion is only a means that misrepresents god, hence religionists themselves are atheists (literally, those who live without god).
it is like saying there exists no earth because you found out your friend who taught earth is flat is wrong; or it is like saying mathematics itself is wrong because you found out your mathematics teacher made a mistake.
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Onager
Big bang theory is not an ultimate theory with no flaws. It was proposed because scientists have misinterpreted evidence like the redshift of celestial bodies and the cosmic microwave background radiation.
https://science.howstuffworks.com/dictionary/astronomy-terms/big-bang-theory7.htm
You also say I have “tried to sidestep but failed, of "who designed the designer."
But this is already addressed in my reply, and this question is no longer valid one after the introduction of first law of thermodynamics, which says you can't create or destroy energy. Designer is conscious energy which cannot be created nor destroyed.
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If mathematics teacher made a mistake, would it mean mathematics itself is wrong!
by venus inmany people point to the irrationality in the depiction of god by the religions and their scriptures, hence jump into the bottomless pit of atheism.
in either camp, god is not a factor because religion is only a means that misrepresents god, hence religionists themselves are atheists (literally, those who live without god).
it is like saying there exists no earth because you found out your friend who taught earth is flat is wrong; or it is like saying mathematics itself is wrong because you found out your mathematics teacher made a mistake.
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Fisherman
You believe only what your senses tell you to believe? Do you think that your senses are of any use without its substratum—the consciousness? By definition, there is a lot that scientists don’t know, because the whole point of science is to explore the unknown. Everyone, including any scientist, experiences the truthfulness of what we all say “I” exist. We are not something just mechanical; we are alive. Scientist can divide me into parts; then put back all those parts, but I will not be found there [yet we know that “I” exists] because I am not a mechanical device, I am not just parts accumulated and arranged. Something more is there, more than all the parts – that something cannot be missed out. Analysis can know the material, not the spiritual. I am spirit, and body is my vehicle because body is silent and inert, but I feel the full force of my personality and even the voice of “I” within me. So I am the conscious energy which uses this body as its vehicle. In other words, conscious energy makes use of senses—not the other way around i.e. senses cannot know the spirit.
We know the limitation of our senses in our daily life. Seeing cards arranged as a pyramid is the work of our sense--eye, and to see also the forces acting in various directions, nullifying each other thus making the pyramid shape takes something other than physical sense. Similarly, our sense eye can see a seed, yet it takes something else other than physical sense to see also within it the invisible program in which all the future generations remains protected.
This aspect is practiced by everyone. For example, evolutionists talk about natural selection — a process that only works by re-shuffling existing genetic information — which means it is supposed to add the massive amounts of new information that are required to get the complexity we see today from a simple single-celled organism over millions of years. How do you get from simple pond scum to highly complex people without adding massive amounts of new genetic information? Whose senses saw this happening millions of years ago?
Atheists also go beyond the scope of senses. To make a claim that no God exists atheists must have unlimited knowledge of this universe. What the atheist is fundamentally saying is that he has infinite knowledge of this universe to affirm that there exist no being with infinite knowledge. I agree with Richard Feynman (Nobel Prize winner for quantum electrodynamics) who said, "Why nature is mathematical is a mystery...The fact that there are rules at all is a kind of miracle." That’s out there.
What about things within us? Among other things, DNA code fills me with astonishment. We all know that someone who writes an instruction manual does so with purpose. In every cell of our bodies there exists a very detailed instruction code, much like a computer program. The DNA code in each of our cells is made up of four chemicals that scientists abbreviate as A, T, G, and C. DNA is a three-billion-lettered program telling the cell to act in a certain way. It is a full instruction manual. One has to ask....how did this information program wind up in each human cell? These are not just chemicals. These are chemicals that instruct that code in a very detailed way exactly how the person's body should develop. Natural, biological causes are completely lacking as an explanation when programmed information is involved. You cannot find instruction, precise information like this, without someone intentionally constructing it.
That someone is the soul within.
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If mathematics teacher made a mistake, would it mean mathematics itself is wrong!
by venus inmany people point to the irrationality in the depiction of god by the religions and their scriptures, hence jump into the bottomless pit of atheism.
in either camp, god is not a factor because religion is only a means that misrepresents god, hence religionists themselves are atheists (literally, those who live without god).
it is like saying there exists no earth because you found out your friend who taught earth is flat is wrong; or it is like saying mathematics itself is wrong because you found out your mathematics teacher made a mistake.
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One group agreed with the OP directly and other group agreed with the OP indirectly by diverting the subject into unrelated subjects such as what should be a flawless analogy?, Who created the designer?’ (a question that has already been answered by science when it said ‘energy cannot be created nor destroyed’ which also means more important conscious energy such as souls and Supreme Soul cannot have beginning nor end), … etc.
To get the proof one needs only to look within. There you find a conscious presence which is the substratum for all the elements of your body, its organ systems, thinking, intelligence and memories…etc. This conscious presence is the conscious energy that created your body. This conscious energy (which cannot be created or destroyed, hence has no beginning and no end) is your true nature, and this true nature is the nature of no birth and no death. My body is like a universe in miniature in which the soul is its creator, and also its king (who can temporarily be overshadowed by ego, a sense of false identity of who I am). This structure is typical of the big universe outside.
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If mathematics teacher made a mistake, would it mean mathematics itself is wrong!
by venus inmany people point to the irrationality in the depiction of god by the religions and their scriptures, hence jump into the bottomless pit of atheism.
in either camp, god is not a factor because religion is only a means that misrepresents god, hence religionists themselves are atheists (literally, those who live without god).
it is like saying there exists no earth because you found out your friend who taught earth is flat is wrong; or it is like saying mathematics itself is wrong because you found out your mathematics teacher made a mistake.
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Morpheus,
You understood what I am trying to convey, and pretend you didn't; and you think that you escaped. But deep within you, you know you agree to the absolute truth--design presupposes designer because you proved it with your action:
Your own comments prove that you designed it which means again the same: design means designer.