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  How to Argue for Creationism

  by cofty in

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  all creationist arguments follow an identical pattern.. first a quick way to remember the format - 'complexity, complexity, complexity; therefore god'.. now a more detailed guide to formulating an argument.. identify some complex feature of the natural world.

  a quick google search or nature documentary will quickly provide inspiration.

  creationist websites have hundreds of them you can copy-paste without attribution.. do no research at all on what is currently known about the evolutionary history of this feature.

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  venus

  Even Darwin wrote that “we know of the laws impressed on matter by the Creator.”
  (Origin, Sixth Edition, London: John Murray, 1876, p. 428)
  
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  How to Argue for Creationism

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  all creationist arguments follow an identical pattern.. first a quick way to remember the format - 'complexity, complexity, complexity; therefore god'.. now a more detailed guide to formulating an argument.. identify some complex feature of the natural world.

  a quick google search or nature documentary will quickly provide inspiration.

  creationist websites have hundreds of them you can copy-paste without attribution.. do no research at all on what is currently known about the evolutionary history of this feature.

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  never a jw

  Yes I agree with you. If all religious people were true to their faith that there is a God, and had lived as one world-family with God as its Head, no one would have thought about an alternative explanation such as Evolution. To be worse, religions did more disservice to the cause of God putting irrational things such as ‘death sentence to apostates.’ (Deut 13:10). Seeing such irrationalities, even Richard Dawkins called God of the Bible as “a monster.” (God Delusion, page 46). People lose their faith in God “in the presence of unjustified religious beliefs,” wrote Sam Harris, in his Letter to a Christian Nation.
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  How to Argue for Creationism

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  all creationist arguments follow an identical pattern.. first a quick way to remember the format - 'complexity, complexity, complexity; therefore god'.. now a more detailed guide to formulating an argument.. identify some complex feature of the natural world.

  a quick google search or nature documentary will quickly provide inspiration.

  creationist websites have hundreds of them you can copy-paste without attribution.. do no research at all on what is currently known about the evolutionary history of this feature.

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  venus

  No, evolution and creation both are a matter of faith.

  Scientist is a role he assumes later in his life because of his interest and corresponding studies he pursues. However, primarily a scientist is a human being with his likes and dislikes, or even prejudice—as symbolized by James D Watson, whose co-discovery in 1953 of the structure of DNA is one of the landmarks of 20th-century biological science. Yet he had to put his Nobel Prize medallion up for auction because he publicly aired his prejudice which obviously went against his own discovery. In other words, he wanted to believe what he liked to believe! (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/dec/01/dna-james-watson-scientist-selling-nobel-prize-medal)
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  How to Argue for Creationism

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  all creationist arguments follow an identical pattern.. first a quick way to remember the format - 'complexity, complexity, complexity; therefore god'.. now a more detailed guide to formulating an argument.. identify some complex feature of the natural world.

  a quick google search or nature documentary will quickly provide inspiration.

  creationist websites have hundreds of them you can copy-paste without attribution.. do no research at all on what is currently known about the evolutionary history of this feature.

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  venus

  A survey taken by the American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS) in May and June of this year and reported by David Masci in the Los Angeles Times, found that 51% do believe in God and 41% do not. These numbers haven’t changed much over the last 100 years either, despite the numerous discoveries in evolution and biochemistry over the years.

  The same poll found that 41% of chemists believe in God while scientists in the fields of biology and medicine were much less likely to believe in God (32%).

  https://bitesizebio.com/2854/scientists-do-you-believe-in-god/

  http://articles.latimes.com/2009/nov/24/opinion/la-oe-masci24-2009nov24
  
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  How to Argue for Creationism

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  all creationist arguments follow an identical pattern.. first a quick way to remember the format - 'complexity, complexity, complexity; therefore god'.. now a more detailed guide to formulating an argument.. identify some complex feature of the natural world.

  a quick google search or nature documentary will quickly provide inspiration.

  creationist websites have hundreds of them you can copy-paste without attribution.. do no research at all on what is currently known about the evolutionary history of this feature.

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  venus

  The way of the nature is such that it can be interpreted in both the ways—either in favor of evolution or creation. That is why we find scientists from all avenues belonging to both the groups—evolution and creation.

  https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Lists_of_creationist_scientists
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  How to Argue for Creationism

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  all creationist arguments follow an identical pattern.. first a quick way to remember the format - 'complexity, complexity, complexity; therefore god'.. now a more detailed guide to formulating an argument.. identify some complex feature of the natural world.

  a quick google search or nature documentary will quickly provide inspiration.

  creationist websites have hundreds of them you can copy-paste without attribution.. do no research at all on what is currently known about the evolutionary history of this feature.

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  WhatshallIcallmyself, You say: 'Just because something is complex creationists introduce God.'

  No, it's a matter of vision--limited or higher.

  One says: Matter created life,

  The other says God created life …what is the difference?

  Creationism says “From the more comes the less,” and evolutionism says “from the less comes the more” [as implied by Natural Selection which is “the process ultimately capable of generating complexity out of simplicity,” God Delusion, Richard Dawkins] Thus both agree that something comes from something—a fact that can have no beginning or an end.
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  How to Argue for Creationism

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  all creationist arguments follow an identical pattern.. first a quick way to remember the format - 'complexity, complexity, complexity; therefore god'.. now a more detailed guide to formulating an argument.. identify some complex feature of the natural world.

  a quick google search or nature documentary will quickly provide inspiration.

  creationist websites have hundreds of them you can copy-paste without attribution.. do no research at all on what is currently known about the evolutionary history of this feature.

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  venus

  I have a simple view. I look at myself and come to a conclusion.

  My mother’s soul started building of my body which was later taken into completion by my soul. This has been going on eternally. Among souls, one is Supreme Soul, God, whose only role is to “renew” the provisions for life’s enjoyment whenever humans deplete/destroy them. (Mathew 19:28)
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  References to YHWH in ancient documents

  by Doug Mason in

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  page 15 of awake!

  2017 provides an image that shows hebrew writing with the statement: “the personal name of god written in ancient hebrew characters appears abundantly in early manuscripts of the bible”.. alongside that image, the awake!

  provides a listing to show “the rendering of ‘god’s name’ in various languages”.. the facts do not support either assertion that the watchtower society makes:.

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  Drearyweather,

  1) The Aleppo Codex (written around 930 C.E.) is oldest OT copy.

  2) The very fact that God permitted the multiple destruction of Jerusalem Temple where scrolls were safeguarded and the destruction of Alexandrian library shows that Scriptures do not belong to Him.

  We read in the Bible that revealing the name, Jehovah, is connected with God's miraculous saving of Israelites from Egypt which culminated in parting of Red Sea. This story does not meet the standard of realism because after seeing such a great miracle no one would turn into calf worship telling a single calf "you are our gods who saved us from Egypt." (Ex 32:4, 8, 31)

  Yet inventing of God’s name as Jehovah (He Causes to Become) is in agreement with the overall theme of the Bible and human experiences. We see what is new becoming old and decadent as the time passes by. What has become old can be renewed by God Almighty. This means history starts with perfect conditions and remains as one world family for some time, and gradually becomes imperfect when people become egoistic; and a measure of disorder sets in many avenues of life—some of the humans and animals becoming eaters of flesh of other beings and some of the micro organisms turning malevolent and migrating into human bodies causing illness…etc. Each experience teaches us something, and pain-mechanism tells us how to avoid further/future pain, which makes God’s intervention and communication unnecessary on every choice each individual makes. If humans make onward progress taking lessons from pain, God doesn’t have to intervene. But if humans repeat their wasteful acts and situation becomes the worst, then God has to intervene, and “renew” the provisions for life’s enjoyment whenever they deplete/destroy them. (Mathew 19:28) It means God ‘causes himself to become’ the savior of mankind. Hence there is no exaggeration in those writers of OT coining the name Jehovah.
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  Jesus fulfilling old testament prophecies like his legs not being broken

  by Isambard Crater in

  1. watchtower
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  what are everyone's thoughts on this, how his legs weren't broken, he was pierced with a spear and he wore a thorny crown?.

  i'm pimo and very much not wanting to believe, but like the daniel statue prophecies, these ones about jesus stick in my mind and give me "hmmm, maybe" moments..

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  Crazyguy,
  

  Interesting observation. If Jesus had really performed such great miracles such as calming the storm, resurrection ... no writer would search for so weak as irrelevant, prophecy-looking verses from OT to prove Messiah's credential. It's not only redundant but also back-firing.
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  The hypocrisy of today's Watchtower

  by UnshackleTheChains in

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  i don't really need to explain anything really.

  all i can say is that i was gob smacked at the sheer audaciousness of the entire study article.

  i'm still speechless.

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  Slidin Fast,

  That's an interesting verse.

  If an apostate is to be given death sentence, it is easy to see how such a law arose. See what the verse says why: "Stone them to death, because they tried to turn you away from the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery." (Deut 13:10)

  The very linking of the law with God's miraculous saving of Israelites from Egypt shows that this law originated from mere human minds because the story of parting of Red Sea itself originated from human minds, not a historical event. Story does not meet the standard of realism because after seeing such a great miracle no one would turn into calf worship telling one single calf "you are our gods who saved us from Egypt." (Ex 32:4,8,31)