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  Death's in Noah's flood

  by Are you serious in

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  has the wt ever come out with an article that indicates how many people died during the mythical flood?

  i searched on their site but couldn't find anything.

  any help would be greatly appreciated.

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  venus

  Number could be more than 8 billion, because

  Flood story is a poor copy of the myths found in other cultures. Essence of those myths is that what is new becomes old in the due course of time, and God renews what has become old through some means which varies from culture to culture. That means Old World would end with more than 8 billion people, and New World would again start with two people.

  Hebrews preferred a global flood which may or may not be true. What is true is that Old World would end through some means, and New World would begin with two persons. This would mean there are two phases to each block of history [and two different words for humans to describe their pre-fall and post fall nature]:

  First half of history [New World] is filled with perfect people who had control over their body organs.

  Second half of history [Old World] is filled with imperfect people who lost their control over their body, hence began to be ruled by body.

  Interestingly, the word diamond comes from the Greek adamao, which means "I tame" or "I subdue;" and its adjective adamas means “unbreakable.” From this came the English word adamant [from a = ‘not’ + daman = ‘to tame’] meaning “untamable, invincible”. New World people are adamant stubbornly refusing to listen to Satan (vices personified). In Hebrew language (older than Greek), related to adamah is the word adam, which means “man” or “mankind” in their sinless stage during pre-fall period when they had perfect control over their bodies. In the East, the word for man [admi, admah ..etc] has the same connotation. The Sanskrit words "manush" "manava," meaning “a person with thinking ability,” have the connotation of one who is in control of himself acting thoughtfully in consideration of pros and cons before executing the action, thus using his thinking abilities to rule over his bodily organs.

  This is in contrast to the post-fall people of the second half of the history [also called narak or hell] where they are being ruled by body [bulk of which is neer or water], hence humans are called nara-naaris [from neer, water] who show the characteristics of neer or water that takes the form of its container, the symbol of being ruled by circumstances.
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  NWT 1984 vs NWT 2013

  by Tallon in

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  i recently had a discussion with a jw concerning a change in wording of a scripture - in fact this was my all time favourite scripture, namely, micah 6:8.. my view is that the wtbts have deliberately changed the wording and meaning of the said scripture.

  the other person is of the opinion that that is not the case.

  micah 6:8.

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  Stillin,

  You could see the motive of the Translation Committee. Situation is now different because this is modification on their own existing translation. Replacing kindness with loyalty towards organization is deliberate deviation. This is like what the postal department has done:

  "Save him, not hang him" was the original message from the Highest Authority.

  But the postal department has sent the telegram which read:

  "Save him not, hang him".

  The jail authorities promptly acted on it and hanged the person.
  
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  Jehovah's Angels will protect you out in the ministry. Except from Dogs Pit Bulls

  by Not_Culty in

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  2018 dog attack .

  https://www.whio.com/news/national/pit-bull-attacks-jehovah-witnesses-front-door-police-say/rlreicdww8bkpzjjepxlhm/.

  2013 dog attack .

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  Animals may act/react unpredictably.

  Yet look at what certain governments such as in Russia do to JWs. Bible itself says Governments are God's servant/minister. (Romans 13:4)
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  How to deal with struggling with the doctrines

  by Dval in

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  this is my first post.

  i'm still a jw but am inactive.

  im struggling with the fact that i agree with some of the doctrines (i,e, the stance on the trinity, there is no hell) but i disagree with a lot of things (i,e, men can't have beards, women have to wear skirts).

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  Jesus said nothing matters except our humane behaviour. (Mathew 25:31-46) You can leave behind all your doctrines--acceptable or unacceptable--which are made for the religious establishment.
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  Son of God

  by Steel in

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  is this a title of diety or did god have a baby?

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  sorry for being so brief, typing on a phone.. i am kind of interested to see what you have to say.

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  In one place Bible would say Jesus is "son of God," and in another place "son of man." This is the tactics of religious leaders to keep people looking to them for daily interpretation. It is their own way of consolidating their position.
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  GB and Moses—an interesting similarity!

  by Ireneus in

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  moses is the symbol of divorcing anyone who acts smarter and exhibits sharper spiritual insight.

  his wife, zipporah, daughter of a pagan midianite priest (exodus 2.15-22), was more spiritual and had keener spiritual insight than moses.

  on one occasion she averted a disaster by acting promptly (by performing the act of circumcision on their son) thus saving moses from being killed by jehovah’s angel which ultimately helped the israelites’ exodus from egypt.

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  Smiddy3, that’s true.

  Many Bible writers were writing things which they did not mean or lost meaning later. For example, epileptic seizures occur because of a sudden surge of electrical activity in the brain, which causes a temporary disturbance in the messaging systems between the brain cells. Unaware of this truth, ancient superstitious people thought such seizures are the result of demon-possessions, hence practiced exorcism. People with such wrong ideas wrote the account of Mark 9:17-29 where we find Jesus is depicted as curing an epileptic patient by casting out demons from him declaring: “This kind can come out only by prayer.” Same type of people are behind projecting Joshua as stopping “the sun and moon” from orbiting (Joshua 10:12) which meant they didn’t know that if the sun stood still, there would have to be a suspension of both our orbital movement as well as our rotational movement in order to keep the sun specifically over one location .

  This shows human ideas can make their way into the Bible and may appear as though coming from the mouth of Jesus, or any prophet. So is the case with Moses and his Law.
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  GB and Moses—an interesting similarity!

  by Ireneus in

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  moses is the symbol of divorcing anyone who acts smarter and exhibits sharper spiritual insight.

  his wife, zipporah, daughter of a pagan midianite priest (exodus 2.15-22), was more spiritual and had keener spiritual insight than moses.

  on one occasion she averted a disaster by acting promptly (by performing the act of circumcision on their son) thus saving moses from being killed by jehovah’s angel which ultimately helped the israelites’ exodus from egypt.

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  This shows Jesus knew that humans are not meant to take guidance from other humans because of the simple truth that each one’s very essence is endowed with ability to receive and transmit guidance from God if we make an effort to really listen to it: “The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children.” (Romans 8:16)

  Interestingly, through different wordings, Carl Jung indirectly points to the ability of our inner self. He arrived at this conclusion from analyzing his own dreams which he says is the means our sub-conscious mind uses to communicate with us by delivering messages direct to the conscious. Although many different characters can appear in our dreams, he believed that “every character is a different aspect of our unacknowledged self or a prevalent situation in our life. Basically, we cannot easily retrieve the data stored in our unconscious mind, so dreams offer the opportunity to view the data so that we can achieve inner peace, balance and harmony and achieve self-growth and self-realization, which propel us towards our unique higher purpose”—a process he meant by the term individuation.

  “Dreams are impartial, spontaneous products of the unconscious psyche, outside the control of the will. They are pure nature; they show us the unvarnished, natural truth, and are therefore fitted, as nothing else is, to give us back an attitude that accords with our basic human nature when our consciousness has strayed too far from its foundations and run into an impasse.”

  [Collected Works Volume 10, paragraph 317]
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  District overseers

  by Boredposter in

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  are they really gone in the u.s.?

  what replaces them?.

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  It is a pity that even when they copy the ladder of authority from the world--religious, political and commercial--they do not realize it is the world they accuse of being ruled by Satan who started this very power-consciousness.
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  Pseudonyms

  by no-zombie in

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  one of this things that constantly reminds me of the extent and the reach the organization has into our lives, is the fact we all need pseudonyms to have a conversation or to make a comment in this even here in this place.

  even when people have left the society (by however it has occurred), its rare to see somebody change their online presence to their personal name.. now i'm not expecting people to do that of course, fore we are all free to do what we like (which is the real beauty of this forum) but the fact that it doesn't occur that often, shows how much we've all been effected by being told over and over again, "not to be critical of god's organization".

  of course there could be an number so side issues at play here; with some people not wanting to burn their bridges in an attempt to keep what reputation they have left intact and sadly a small minority others, do enjoy the anonymity to just talk trash ... but if a person can not feel free to stand up and respectfully make a critical comment or ask a thorny question without fear of repercussion from their religion, then doesn't it show that there is no real freedom in that faith.

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  It shows how much people have been spoiled by the cultic geneius of WT leadership.
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  If God’s people can’t see anti-God verses in the Bible

  by Ireneus in

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  if god’s people can’t see anti-god verses in the bible, how can they be god’s people?.

  jehovah is the “god of the gentiles also” and “there is no impartiality with god,” says the bible.

  (romans 3:29; deuteronomy 10:17).

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  *Just like universe is made of 4% visible things and of 96% "dark matter and dark energy,"

  *Just as our actions are done 5% consciously and 95 unconsciously,

  Bible is also composed of both--few inspired verses and much of uninspired verses, most of which depicts God anthropomorphically. That means we can find some anti-God verses also in the Bible.