David_Jay,
You got it correctly when you said: "After the death of Jesus, his followers had to develop a way of making his crucifixion appear as if it were "part of the plan" from the beginning."
Posts by venus
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16God never knew Jesus would be killed?
by venus injesus gave an illustration with a landowner being the central character:.
“there was a landowner who planted a vineyard.
he put a wall around it, dug a winepress in it and built a watchtower.
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God never knew Jesus would be killed?
by venus injesus gave an illustration with a landowner being the central character:.
“there was a landowner who planted a vineyard.
he put a wall around it, dug a winepress in it and built a watchtower.
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To1500,
You ask: “would you sacrifice your life if you knew you were going to be raised to life in 3 days?”
When God asks, anybody would do it without any second thought, hence it won’t be sacrifice at all.
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God never knew Jesus would be killed?
by venus injesus gave an illustration with a landowner being the central character:.
“there was a landowner who planted a vineyard.
he put a wall around it, dug a winepress in it and built a watchtower.
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Here any sort of interpretation is ruled out because in His message to Judah, God Himself says sacrificial killing of a son is “something I did not command, nor did it enter my mind.”—Jeremiah 7:31
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To those taking a stand and not attending the Memorial tonight
by doubtfull1799 ini salute you.
many of you, like me, are probably under enormous emotional pressure, whether from a lingering false sense of guilt from your indoctrination, whether from "invitations," and assumptions that you'll naturally be coming, or whether from outright emotional blackmail, even begging and pleading.
i am thinking of you whoever you are, all of you, even though i don't know you in person.
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Memorial celebration is a later adoption, hence no one need to feel guilty of not attending it.
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"Abuse of free will" - an Oxymoron?
by doubtfull1799 inthe society loves to talk about how adam and eve abused their gift of free will.
doesn't free will mean the freedom to choose?
how can exercising that freedom to choose then be classed as abusing the gift?
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“Your Liberty To Swing Your Fist Ends Just Where My Nose Begins.” Hence freewill means both—you are free to do things to certain limit, yet not free to limit the freewill of your fellow-humans. When Adam and Eve touched the “tree of good and bad,” they were in fact developing a new awareness of what is good and bad which is the characteristics of ego. It means they fell from greater view into the contraction of me and mine which will definitely hurt another person’s freewill.
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God never knew Jesus would be killed?
by venus injesus gave an illustration with a landowner being the central character:.
“there was a landowner who planted a vineyard.
he put a wall around it, dug a winepress in it and built a watchtower.
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Jesus gave an illustration with a landowner being the central character:
“There was a landowner who planted a vineyard. He put a wall around it, dug a winepress in it and built a watchtower. Then he rented the vineyard to some farmers and moved to another place.When the harvest time approached, he sent his servants to the tenants to collect his fruit. “The tenants seized his servants; they beat one, killed another, and stoned a third. Then he sent other servants to them, more than the first time, and the tenants treated them the same way. Last of all, he sent his son to them. ‘They will respect my son,’ he said.
“But when the tenants saw the son, they said to each other, ‘This is the heir. Come, let’s kill him and take his inheritance.’ So they took him and threw him out of the vineyard and killed him.” (Mathew 21:33-39)
This illustration was my stumbling block when I a Witness. I asked many elders about this, but none of them gave me a convincing answer.
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Dear supporters of Russia's JW Ban:
by Jehalapeno inthis is the kind of government you are supporting.. over 100 gay men have been sent to concentration camps for homosexuals in chechnya and three people have been killed.. stop supporting fascism.. if you support the russia jw ban, what other thoughts and beliefs are you ok with policing?.
if you support the jw russia ban, have you read george orwell's 1984?
don't you realize you are advocating for literal fascism when you support the banning of a belief system?
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Give shunning, and shunning will be given to you. A good measure, pressed down, shaken together and running over, will be poured into your lap. For with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.—Luke 6:38
Who will be used to fulfill this law is immaterial!
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What is the difference ......?
by Phizzy inwhat is the difference between the way the gb are viewed/treated by jw's,even dead gb members, and the way saints are in the rc and orthodox churches etc ?.
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Sad part of it is that GB will never realize that they are synonym with saints of Christendom
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1986- U.S. bombs libya!
by nowwhat? inreagan orders bombing of libyia target's kadaffi.
i vividly remember calling my pioneer buddy "ok this is it get ready for ww3!
" guess what nothing happened.
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Things can take any direction. No one saw Trump coming, yet it happened. In the 80's terrorism was in its infancy, now they are trying for nukes. From where will they get it? Naturally from those countries that have nukes and are sympathizers to them. That means it is time that responsible nations would do something about this, which means countries like Russia, China will oppose that move.
That means things can also spin out of control.
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Russia's Supreme Court is due to resume considering ban on Jehovah's Witness activity on 12 April
by venus inrussia's supreme court is due to resume considering a total ban on jehovah's witness activity on 12 april.
already police in several towns have disrupted their worship.
they have reported intimidation, harassment, and the disruption of worship by law enforcement agents in several towns as a result of the justice ministry's 15 march order summarily suspending most of their activities.
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Russia's Supreme Court is due to resume considering a total ban on Jehovah's Witness activity on 12 April. Already police in several towns have disrupted their worship. A Moscow community's rental of a hall to mark their main annual commemoration was cancelled after an FSB visit.
As Jehovah's Witnesses await a verdict at Russia's Supreme Court in Moscow on whether they will be banned across the country, their communities are already feeling the effects of the Justice Ministry's actions. They have reported intimidation, harassment, and the disruption of worship by law enforcement agents in several towns as a result of the Justice Ministry's 15 March order summarily suspending most of their activities. One community found that its contract on a rented hall in Moscow had been cancelled.
The harassment comes as hearings in the Justice Ministry's attempt to liquidate the Jehovah's Witness Administrative Centre are underway in the Supreme Court. After three days of hearings between 5 and 7 April, Judge Yury Ivanenko adjourned proceedings until 10.00am Moscow time on 12 April. This is the day after the Jehovah's Witnesses main annual commemoration – the Memorial of Christ's Death – on 11 April.
Liquidation, banning suit
The Justice Ministry lodged its suit at the Supreme Court on 15 March, asking that the Administrative Centre be declared an extremist organisation, that it be liquidated, and that all its activities be banned.
On the same day, the Ministry also issued an Order suspending most Jehovah's Witness activities, including all public meetings and the Administrative Centre's financial transactions.http://www.forum18.org/archive.php?article_id=2271
What brings harm to JWs is not their worship, but their human teaching on blood transfusion: “Jehovah’s Witnesses break the law forbidding “extremism” when its members refuse blood transfusions, Russia’s Justice Ministry said Thursday at a Supreme Court hearing on the question of banning the religious group in the country.”
http://www.newsweek.com/russia-jehovahs-witnesses-ban-case-580227
Hopes are on the wane.
April 6, 2017: “MOSCOW (AP) - Russia's Supreme Court has upheld the decision of a Russian city to ban Jehovah's Witnesses as an extremist group. The decision Thursday came amid proceedings on a Justice Ministry suit to ban the religious organization in Russia altogether.
http://www.whec.com/news/supreme-court-jehovah-witness/4447207/