The Fall guy,
Deuteronomy 29:10-15 really undercut JW teaching.
Excellent observation.
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12J.W. dogma refuted by their own RNWT Bible
by The Fall Guy inperhaps potential j.w.
recruits can use this example on their study conductors - and then witness the cognitive dissonance at first hand.. w98 2/1 p. 11 par.
13 – “when jehovah made his covenant, it was only with israel; those of the “vast mixed company,” although present, were not named as participants.”.
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Either God’s non-existence or His majesty
by venus inin natural calamities, everyone (despite one’s faith) is affected.
when one denies god’s existence, he experiences no punishment from him.
when one worships him, he receives no special favor from him.
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Confusedalot,
You also asked: “Without scripture and hearsay, what would I base my position on God on?”
You don’t need to base your position on anything. That is how the design is—each one should formulate his own principle in view of the common good. When you find both order & disorder, lower species & humans with innovative powers, earth filled with living beings & rest of the universe with no living forms ….simultaneously existing, it silently teaches each one of us should have his own conclusions about life and principles to lead that life.
If I were God, I would have created the universe and earth exactly the same way as it is now.
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Either God’s non-existence or His majesty
by venus inin natural calamities, everyone (despite one’s faith) is affected.
when one denies god’s existence, he experiences no punishment from him.
when one worships him, he receives no special favor from him.
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confusedalot,
Religions under the guise of divine authorization taught certain things as good and others as bad, thus in effect labeled them as “truth.”
Those “teachings” for whatever holy they may be, cannot match the uncertainties and ever changing possibilities in Life. What is “real” cannot be relegated into a shoe box full of code of conduct, commandments and laws.
In Nature/Life, morality does not exist. In the “office world” it exists as a façade for an ulterior purpose: Whether that is to gain heaven, to support our belief to be “special” or “rightful” among the rest or some other "reason."
In Nature/Life, questions do not exist. Humans prisoners of their own minds, have twisted good old curiosity into the frenzy of asking “why?” out of everything, as if an intellectual verbal answer is enough.
Curiosity does not ask “why.” Curiosity observes with appreciation the uniqueness of Life. It is through that acknowledgement how everything is answered without asking a single question; for every answer comes at the right time. It is the knowing of learning through our own experiences.Humans have coined the phrase: “Learn from your own mistakes.” This is a tunnel view.
When we separate our experiences in Life between “mistakes” and what is “right,” we forsake the opportunity to live fully in Life in exchange of some comfortable fear, designed to live within the boundaries of the shoe box offered by our society through our conditioned mind.Instead, learn from your experiences. That learning only applies to your own path. However, what is to share to all, is to BE the type of person that is ever curious to discover Life, beyond the shoe box.
That type of invaluable teaching cannot be put into words or a “master class.” That “teaching” spreads through the winds of warm human relationships.
Nothing to teach, nothing to say. Just BE.Those winds of relationship, have the potential of turning into Hurricanes and positively affecting many, without a business plan, special funding or a proselytizing effort.
What is natural is “good.” What is “good” is what IS.
In brief: This is natural—when someone acts in such a way that makes me happy/unhappy, for me it is a lesson on how I am to act towards others (which means God doesn’t have to tell us what is right and wrong; hence no scripture is needed)
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Either God’s non-existence or His majesty
by venus inin natural calamities, everyone (despite one’s faith) is affected.
when one denies god’s existence, he experiences no punishment from him.
when one worships him, he receives no special favor from him.
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confusedalot,
I like His majesty—He is not even bothered to rectify all the misrepresentations about Him. This is the greatest of all teachings which he teaches without a word being uttered/written.
When I tried to copy this aspect of Him I found how much heart-break I was spared of.
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Bible contradictions.
by pleaseresearch inwhat are your biggest, funniest, scariest, etc.... wait wt says there are non hahahah.
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slimboyfat,
That means present-day JWs who believe that every verse of the Bible are inspired are more zealous than their founder (like subjects being more patriotic than the king)
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Either God’s non-existence or His majesty
by venus inin natural calamities, everyone (despite one’s faith) is affected.
when one denies god’s existence, he experiences no punishment from him.
when one worships him, he receives no special favor from him.
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Confusedalot
You ask: "What is your pick of the two?"
My position is simple: God exists, but He doesn't want anybody's worship/validation (means all scriptures have misrepresented Him)
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Bible contradictions.
by pleaseresearch inwhat are your biggest, funniest, scariest, etc.... wait wt says there are non hahahah.
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punkofnice
"No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven—the Son of Man.”—John 3:13
It means only Jesus who descended from heaven has gone into heaven, no one else has gone into heaven! Jesus ascended into heaven at the end of his ministry, after his death. Hence how could he say he has ascended into heaven at the start of his ministry?"
Nice point and perfect reasoning.
This shows writers were not thoughtful of what they were saying.
Even when they speak about major subjects such as death, they are drawn by human thinking. For example, death is a curse or punishment for Bible writers whereas the truth is that death is a blessing, like a speed-breaker on road. What if there is no death, if one goes on growing more and more vibrant physically, perfecting his skills and talents, and even growing in money power, influence ….etc.? He would probably behave like King David described in the Bible stealing anybody’s wife after killing her husband, or like Kim Jong-un …Because, when the body is in upward growth, people in general, tend to grow in desires and self-importance, and when the body is in reverse growth towards complete collapse and thus experience suffering, people in general begin to lose the basis for keeping their desires and self-importance. Thus suffering and death teach us this great lesson: to feel self-important is meaningless.
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Yoga for JWs
by EyesOpenHeartBroken ini was chatting with my very jw pioneer mother (aged 65) and out of the blue she tells me she is sore from a particular pose she did in yoga class.
"wait, what??
" i say in my mind.
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My hard-core JW family members consider yoga as a subtle tool the demons use to get true worshipers to their side.
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Either God’s non-existence or His majesty
by venus inin natural calamities, everyone (despite one’s faith) is affected.
when one denies god’s existence, he experiences no punishment from him.
when one worships him, he receives no special favor from him.
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scratchme1010,
Religions wrongly presented God as a narcissist seeking worship from others; hence many found the whole concept about Him as non-sense which proves that God gives us freedom even to deny Him.
Yet the fact is that He is the giver of worship (not recipient of worship). For example, when a child is born, or when a child grows and accomplishes something parents say (outwardly or inwardly): “Look at him, he is our child.” By saying this parents unwittingly take credit for something which came into existence without them doing any programming, and it is almost like enjoying pleasure of being worshiped.
Truth is that parents were only seeking sexual pleasure from each other, and in the process a child came into existence.
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Bible contradictions.
by pleaseresearch inwhat are your biggest, funniest, scariest, etc.... wait wt says there are non hahahah.
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“The one who sins is the one who will die. The child will not share the guilt of the parent, nor will the parent share the guilt of the child. The righteousness of the righteous will be credited to them, and the wickedness of the wicked will be charged against them.” (Ezekiel 18:20)
Apostle Paul did not know about this; hence he devised something against this in Romans 5:12-21 without thinking there exists an avalanche of proofs against this. We find variety of people acting/reacting differently in same situation: Some do more righteous acts, some do more sinful acts, and others mix them in varying degrees, one-time sinners changing into saints, one-time saints changing into sinners, some very poor people who refuse to steal, and some very wealthy people who steal in various ways… etc. This shows people choose to act the way they like which means they are not sinners from birth—resulting in all sorts of people from sinless to the sinful ones. Interestingly, even Bible makes many references to some sinless persons who lived in the ancient times (Genesis 5:24; Job 1:8; Psalm 18:23; Ezekiel 14:14; Luke 1:6 …etc.) and human capacity to perform righteousness. (Habakkuk 2:4; Hebrews 10:38)