No other theory would even come closer in its absurdity to the theory that it is better to punish Jesus rather than Satan--and strange enough it is this theory that has more followers.
Posts by venus
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22Unwritten Theory
by moreconfusedthanever inhave any of you heard some theories from jws that are not based on scripture?
i have, in the past few days, heard a couple that have me shaking my head.. first one is that since satan was around during the creation period and probably watched on as things were being made, it is possible that he is responsible for the creation of some of the more hideous and nasty creatures that live among us.
surely god wouldn't make horrible things.. second one is that satan already had a bad attitude before the creation of adam and eve and was collecting followers among the other angels early on and stirring trouble.
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95 Un-Truths - celebrate 500 years since Diet of Worms
by Anthony Morris DeTurd inwell hello friends.
you may recall the article we published about martin luther: https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2003686#h=1:0-44:51. at the end of this month it's exactly 500 years since he nailed his list of 95 objections (un-truths) to the door of the catholic church, kicking off the reformation...for which he was invited to the diet of worms (judicial committee) and excommunicated.. also at a similar time to this commemoration, i have been invited to attend an event of the vast apostate army here in warwick (5.11.2017).
i'm worried that someone may compose a list of 95 untruths about us, and nail it to the gates at warwick!.
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stuckinarut2
That is interesting. Once proved it is a human channel because of the changes made in the teachings (which is not possible with God's channel), then we can say JW system is a sort of religious denial of God. It professes to believe in a men rather than in God.
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95 Un-Truths - celebrate 500 years since Diet of Worms
by Anthony Morris DeTurd inwell hello friends.
you may recall the article we published about martin luther: https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2003686#h=1:0-44:51. at the end of this month it's exactly 500 years since he nailed his list of 95 objections (un-truths) to the door of the catholic church, kicking off the reformation...for which he was invited to the diet of worms (judicial committee) and excommunicated.. also at a similar time to this commemoration, i have been invited to attend an event of the vast apostate army here in warwick (5.11.2017).
i'm worried that someone may compose a list of 95 untruths about us, and nail it to the gates at warwick!.
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venus
This may also help those in the JC to think for themselves. Who knows they would not come out of org in future?
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95 Un-Truths - celebrate 500 years since Diet of Worms
by Anthony Morris DeTurd inwell hello friends.
you may recall the article we published about martin luther: https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2003686#h=1:0-44:51. at the end of this month it's exactly 500 years since he nailed his list of 95 objections (un-truths) to the door of the catholic church, kicking off the reformation...for which he was invited to the diet of worms (judicial committee) and excommunicated.. also at a similar time to this commemoration, i have been invited to attend an event of the vast apostate army here in warwick (5.11.2017).
i'm worried that someone may compose a list of 95 untruths about us, and nail it to the gates at warwick!.
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venus
You just cut the King, and the game of Chess is over rather than working around with specifics.
Moral Justice cannot take the innocent for the guilty, even if the innocent would offer himself. To suppose Justice to do this, is to destroy the principle of its existence, which is the thing itself; it is then no longer Justice, it is indiscriminate revenge not knowing against whom.
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95 Un-Truths - celebrate 500 years since Diet of Worms
by Anthony Morris DeTurd inwell hello friends.
you may recall the article we published about martin luther: https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2003686#h=1:0-44:51. at the end of this month it's exactly 500 years since he nailed his list of 95 objections (un-truths) to the door of the catholic church, kicking off the reformation...for which he was invited to the diet of worms (judicial committee) and excommunicated.. also at a similar time to this commemoration, i have been invited to attend an event of the vast apostate army here in warwick (5.11.2017).
i'm worried that someone may compose a list of 95 untruths about us, and nail it to the gates at warwick!.
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If Martin Luther asked 95 questions, you need to ask only one question that pertain to the very theme of the Bible, the weight of which would be more than those 95 questions put together.
If you are in the judgment seat, you should have thorough knowledge of the Bible. Can you clear me a simple doubt that pertains to the main theme of the Bible? Jesus was the only begotten son who was seated at the bosom position of God which means he is second in authority in the whole universe. Now he comes to this world to suffer, and to die so that sins of the world could be removed.
Given the sort of life he was enjoying in heaven, the only real suffering he could
have endured, would have been to live. His existence here was a state of exile or transportation from Heaven, and the way back to his original country was to die. This runs counter to the original claim that he came to suffer and die for the sins of the world (just the reverse of what it pretends to be). Another problem, if someone were to suffer and die, why can’t that be the greatest sinner himself—Satan the devil?
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95 Un-Truths - celebrate 500 years since Diet of Worms
by Anthony Morris DeTurd inwell hello friends.
you may recall the article we published about martin luther: https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2003686#h=1:0-44:51. at the end of this month it's exactly 500 years since he nailed his list of 95 objections (un-truths) to the door of the catholic church, kicking off the reformation...for which he was invited to the diet of worms (judicial committee) and excommunicated.. also at a similar time to this commemoration, i have been invited to attend an event of the vast apostate army here in warwick (5.11.2017).
i'm worried that someone may compose a list of 95 untruths about us, and nail it to the gates at warwick!.
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Show yourself as a MAN, and come back victorious and cheerful. All the best
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Do you believe in god?
by freakyAL ini used to be a staunch believer in god.
maybe its technology and science advancing so much thats got me doubting idk.
do you believe in god?
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Twitch
Which God? This is an irrelevant question
There is a saying, that, at a certain point in your journey, if you meet the Buddha, you have to kill him. This means starting to trust your own knowledge of what is true. You know what action of others make you happy/sorrowful which means you know how to act towards others.
God knows this, hence He would not use any scriptures and would naturally want to remain unidentified.
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JW view of apostates is of human origin
by venus ingod doesn’t take action against a person who has long history of faithfulness when he fails for the first time.
for example, satan is freely permitted to move in heaven and on earth even after many many sins he keeps on practicing.
israel as a nation was not rejected at the first instance of their disobedience.
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What a calamity it would be when an innocent JW finally comes to realize that Bible is only a human book. Intensity of dependence on JW doctrine would then take him to the opposite direction proportionately. Hence JW is in a sense a production unit for atheist in the same way Bible helps some to become atheists (for example, Jesus's own prayer to his Father is gone unheeded)
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JW view of apostates is of human origin
by venus ingod doesn’t take action against a person who has long history of faithfulness when he fails for the first time.
for example, satan is freely permitted to move in heaven and on earth even after many many sins he keeps on practicing.
israel as a nation was not rejected at the first instance of their disobedience.
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God doesn’t take action against a person who has long history of faithfulness when he fails for the first time. For example, Satan is freely permitted to move in heaven and on earth even after many many sins he keeps on practicing. Israel as a nation was not rejected at the first instance of their disobedience. However, JW religion practices disfellowshipping and shunning at the very first act of even disbelief on any one of their vast reservoir of teachings despite decades of faithfulness.
They feel this is scriptural because this is the way Samuel dealt with Saul who was so good (reluctant to become a king when he was informed of Jehovah’s choice) and subsequently gave many victories to Israel in the difficult days of Israel’s inception period. In an emergency situation when the whole nation’s security was involved, Saul did not extend his waiting (waited for seven days) for Samuel indefinitely, but went ahead and made the sacrifice himself. This good-intentioned, extremely unselfish act of Saul was judged as disobedient by Samuel and declared his judgment: “Jehovah will choose another person to be king over Israel.” (1 Samuel 13:14) What else is needed to turn a good person into bad?
Such a hasty judgement is obviously against Jehovah’s established practice of taking action after long wait, hence is from human priestly class who wanted to safeguard their position over the ordinary people who would think ‘if king was not spared for such a small act of disrespect towards Jehovah’s appointees, how much more we.’ Without knowing this interior game of the priestly class, JW built their apostasy teaching on human ground.
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Communication seems to be a big problem even today
by venus incommunication seems to be a big problem even today.
1) bible commanded ‘don’t make images, don’t make any other mediator than jesus …etc.’ yet most of the christian organizations understood the command as saying to fill their churches with images and mediators.. 2) if charles t russel had read at least the first few pages of the bible seriously, he would not have taken the bible seriously.
the manner in which the genesis account opens shows it to be somebody’s tradition whose owner is unknown because it begins abruptly; it is nobody that speaks; it is nobody that hears; it is addressed to nobody; it has neither first, second, nor third person; it has every criterion of being a tradition; it has no voucher.
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punkofnice
My dad is a Jew and mom is Christian. She was always nagging. Once dad said “it’s all your Christian upbringing—instead of crucifying Satan the transgressor, the innocent was crucified instead. What good can come from your background.” That was the end of her nagging, and beginning of my doubt on Bible.