Caught up in the rules and
doctrinal falsification the forgotten fact is that our humane core is lost. The end product is persons who see everyone's faults except own ones.
Posts by venus
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33Manmade rules
by Jrjw ini was talking to someone a few years ago and he said in his congregation they have a rail of white shirts prepared in the cloakroom for if a speaker doesn't have a white shirt on.
it was a rule in their hall that all brothers in the platform must wear white shirts when going talks and if the speaker won't comply when asked to change into the shirt they provide an elder in the congregation will do the talk instead.
i have never known any other halls do it so it must be a rule the elders have made up without gb input.
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Manmade rules
by Jrjw ini was talking to someone a few years ago and he said in his congregation they have a rail of white shirts prepared in the cloakroom for if a speaker doesn't have a white shirt on.
it was a rule in their hall that all brothers in the platform must wear white shirts when going talks and if the speaker won't comply when asked to change into the shirt they provide an elder in the congregation will do the talk instead.
i have never known any other halls do it so it must be a rule the elders have made up without gb input.
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God cannot receive anything from humans because everything belongs to Him.
Yet humans began offering sacrifices, which later became a rule.
Sacrifice can be offered from anywhere, yet someone felt an altar would be a good idea, which again became a rule.
Original Passover celebration did not involve wine, but Jesus (purportedly) included wine, which again became a rule.
In the first century, going house-to-house was the practical option to advertise some news, which again became a rule—which some people even today hold dearly as a rule—even though far better advertising modes are available today.
That means anyone can make any rule.
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Evolution doesn't happen today...WRONG...
by HowTheBibleWasCreated inlast year i had a brother tell me that one proof evolution is false is that he doesn't see it happening today... i was going to bring of viruses evolving so fast that new vaccines must be developed each year but felt he was too closed minded to receive it.
today i was listening to the audio book of 'an ancestors tale- richard dawkins' and noted oe point that shined through.. here is evolution happening>>>.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/library/05/2/l_052_05.html.
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Hi OrphanCrow & ttdtt
After my sleep I find our subject is not yet ended. Hence I will end it.
Certain truths are eternal. From childhood we are told: “Look both ways before you cross the street.”
Certain things are true some times and yet are false other times. From childhood we are told: “Don’t trust strangers.” But later we experience some of our own relatives/friends cheating us and some of the strangers behaving better than even our close relatives/friends.
Similarly, you can believe everything is matter and every phenomenon can be explained through materialism. But this belief will soon or later change as happened to some hard-core and prominent materialists. ‘Later’ can mean anywhere in the future. Even if it happens after a trillion births it doesn’t matter in view of the eternity.
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Evolution doesn't happen today...WRONG...
by HowTheBibleWasCreated inlast year i had a brother tell me that one proof evolution is false is that he doesn't see it happening today... i was going to bring of viruses evolving so fast that new vaccines must be developed each year but felt he was too closed minded to receive it.
today i was listening to the audio book of 'an ancestors tale- richard dawkins' and noted oe point that shined through.. here is evolution happening>>>.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/library/05/2/l_052_05.html.
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venus
Hi ttdtt,
Your response reminds me of the response the very eminent Scientist, the impeccably credentialed Ian Stevenson, who was director of the Division of Personality Studies at the University of Virginia, received. Among other things, he devoted the last 40 years of his life to the scientific documentation of past-life memories of children from all over the world. In the end, he had over 3, 000 cases on record in his files and many people, including sceptics and scholars, agree today that these offer the best evidence yet for life after death.
But here is the twist: atheists regard the evidence he garnered over a lifetime as nonsense, while conveniently forgetting that Dr Stevenson was as much an atheist as any of them.
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Evolution doesn't happen today...WRONG...
by HowTheBibleWasCreated inlast year i had a brother tell me that one proof evolution is false is that he doesn't see it happening today... i was going to bring of viruses evolving so fast that new vaccines must be developed each year but felt he was too closed minded to receive it.
today i was listening to the audio book of 'an ancestors tale- richard dawkins' and noted oe point that shined through.. here is evolution happening>>>.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/library/05/2/l_052_05.html.
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venus
Here the question is not about what is material and what is immaterial? Question is dependency. When I know my core existence is immaterial, why should I depend on Scientists for explaining to me that it is immaterial. Science does not invent self, it is the other way around. My self with its mind is immaterial on its own merit and it is self-evident and too obvious. You may be aware that some eminent scientists like Einstein who went on record saying they arrived at some of their theories first through intuition and later they verified them through scientific means. Intuition is obviously from an immaterial source.
You can also google "atheists who unexpectedly underwent NDEs changed their view that everything can be explained through matter." You will be surprised to know there are some very prominent former atheists among them. They were very sincere in their former atheistic beliefs. You can also continue to be sincerely materialistic till you have an experience to the contrary.
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Evolution doesn't happen today...WRONG...
by HowTheBibleWasCreated inlast year i had a brother tell me that one proof evolution is false is that he doesn't see it happening today... i was going to bring of viruses evolving so fast that new vaccines must be developed each year but felt he was too closed minded to receive it.
today i was listening to the audio book of 'an ancestors tale- richard dawkins' and noted oe point that shined through.. here is evolution happening>>>.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/library/05/2/l_052_05.html.
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Hi ttdtt
These questions are too simple to answer.
Matter has always existed in some form or the other since matter is materialization of energy which can neither be created nor destroyed. So is the case with immaterial beings such as my mind, your mind and the Supreme Mind. Hence question of who created God, who created His residence are all redundant.
I don’t need an explanation from Science for the existence of my mind which I know exists and which I know is immaterial. I exist, and I also know that I exist. Moreover, I am a consciousness with a conscience that is capable of distinguish not only what is right and wrong but even the various shades of them. So is the case with your mind and the Supreme Mind.
I know many scientists who are modest and balanced who say our area is to stick to what is quantifiable and empirical, God may exist or may not exist which doesn’t come under our purview.
Regarding souls or Supreme Soul being happy or unhappy. I know my very nature is happiness. I feel unhappy because I chose to be so by diverting from my nature, and I continue to be unhappy till I return to my original nature. For example, I am shouted at by someone. Now I am thinking about it--questioning it how, why ... which means now I am diverted from my original nature by taking the words of another person to hurt my self. I am creating the hurt--not the words of another person. After some time, I begin to think--how can his words hurt me unless I hurt myself; what if I let those words unheeded ...now I am returning to my original nature of happiness. This is the case with all Minds.
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Evolution doesn't happen today...WRONG...
by HowTheBibleWasCreated inlast year i had a brother tell me that one proof evolution is false is that he doesn't see it happening today... i was going to bring of viruses evolving so fast that new vaccines must be developed each year but felt he was too closed minded to receive it.
today i was listening to the audio book of 'an ancestors tale- richard dawkins' and noted oe point that shined through.. here is evolution happening>>>.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/library/05/2/l_052_05.html.
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Cofty,
You may be right. But victims, like my grandpa, had no other way of explaining the horror they were subjected to.
It is true that similar horrors can be performed even by those belonging to religions (as happened from Rome during Dark Ages). This is because they were materialists in their hearts who were using religion for their unjust ends. This is true with pedophile Elders, Priests and other “religious” people …etc. They are “having a form of godliness but denying its power;” “wolf disguising” “whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron.” (2 Tim 3:5; Mat 7:15; 1 Tim 4:2)
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Generation
by Jrjw inplease could someone explain to me what the generation thing i keep seeing in people's threads was that had lots of people leave the wts coz it was way before i became a witness.
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Jrjw
Interestingly, Bible itself gives proofs that much of the things Jesus said and did was imagined by writers. For example, it is reportedly told by Jesus: "No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven—the Son of Man.” (John 3:13) It means only Jesus who descended from heaven has gone into heaven, no one else has gone into heaven! Jesus ascended into heaven at the end of his ministry, after his death. Hence how could he say he has ascended into heaven at the start of his ministry?"
It means writers just thought what could have Jesus spoken or done if he were treading on earth and wrote them down. This could be true with rest of the bible writers too. That is why we find in one place God said this and that, yet in other place He says he did not say so (Jeremiah 7:22; 8:8)
Destruction of Jerusalem temple more than once, and great fire at the Alexandrian Library destroyed scrolls and other valuable writings. This enabled writers to manipulate their writings.
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Evolution doesn't happen today...WRONG...
by HowTheBibleWasCreated inlast year i had a brother tell me that one proof evolution is false is that he doesn't see it happening today... i was going to bring of viruses evolving so fast that new vaccines must be developed each year but felt he was too closed minded to receive it.
today i was listening to the audio book of 'an ancestors tale- richard dawkins' and noted oe point that shined through.. here is evolution happening>>>.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/library/05/2/l_052_05.html.
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Hi WhatshallIcallmyself You are asking: “Why do you insist on quoting people so often? Can't you formulate your own thoughts? ”
There is a reason. My dad is a Jew (Mom is Christian) and my grand father is a Holocaust survivor. While going through the horrors of Auschwitz, many victims used to discuss between themselves why this kind of things happen on earth. One of them has put it this way [which has gone on record]: “If we present a man with a concept of man which is not true, we may well corrupt him. When we present man as an automaton of reflexes, as a mind-machine, as a bundle of instincts, as a pawn of drives and reactions, as a mere product of instinct, heredity, and environment, we feed the nihilism to which modern man is, in any case, prone. I became acquainted with the last stage of that corruption in my second concentration camp, Auschwitz. The gas chambers of Auschwitz were the ultimate consequence of the theory that man is nothing but the product of heredity and environment—or, as the Nazi liked to say, of ‘Blood and Soil.’ I am absolutely convinced that the gas chambers of Auschwitz, Treblinka, and Maidanek were ultimately prepared not in some Ministry or other in Berlin, but rather at the desks and in the lecture halls of nihilistic scientists and philosophers.”–Richard Weikart The Dehumanizing Impact of Modern Thought Darwin, Marx, Nietzsche, and Their Followers
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Evolution doesn't happen today...WRONG...
by HowTheBibleWasCreated inlast year i had a brother tell me that one proof evolution is false is that he doesn't see it happening today... i was going to bring of viruses evolving so fast that new vaccines must be developed each year but felt he was too closed minded to receive it.
today i was listening to the audio book of 'an ancestors tale- richard dawkins' and noted oe point that shined through.. here is evolution happening>>>.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/library/05/2/l_052_05.html.
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Hi ttdtt
I am not BASHING Science. I am not against Science. I like Science when it simply explains things. “Science must not impose any philosophy, any more than the telephone must tell us what to say.” (G. K. Chesterton) Because I do not want to say like Bertrand Russell before his death: “There is darkness without, and when I die there will be darkness within. There is no splendor, no vastness anywhere, only triviality for a moment, and then nothing.”
But I want to echo the sentiments like this one: “Even if I turn out to be wrong, I shall bet my life on the assumption that this world is not idiotic, neither run by an absentee landlord, but that today, this very day, some stroke is being added to the cosmic canvas that in due course I shall understand with joy as a stroke made by the architect who calls himself Alpha and Omega.” (Clyde Kilby)