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  Universal sovereignty on trial

  by Factfulness in

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  i just had a thought of clarity regarding the jw explanation for this doctrine.

  they explain that satan challenged god regarding his right to rule.

  god failed to prove his right to rule.

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  nicolaou, and cofty

  Nicolaou, You said “Which is just how the Universe would appear if there were no god in it.”

  That is exactly my point is—God gives opportunity for everyone to make his own conclusion. When I first heard there are over 7500 variety of apple, I drew the conclusion that it is all because there is Father Figure that takes care of more than just the sustenance, and my faith in Him has only been reinforced further and further as the time passed. Yet the same knowledge may give different conclusion to another person.

  Forget about apple. Let us take the case of vast sky towards which all are drawn, a common meeting place so to say, and people seem to look up instinctively either in thanksgiving or in trouble. Ironically enough, it is also a place where scientific search and religious faith seem to coalesce naturally.

  In trying to comprehend the vastness of the universe, we would realize that it is our heart (not ego) that we need to expand like the sky—something mythologist Joseph Campbell intelligently grasped. This is what God wants—each one should make his own conclusion, and Joseph Campbell got it correctly. If he got it, it means everyone else also can get it if they want to.
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  Universal sovereignty on trial

  by Factfulness in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i just had a thought of clarity regarding the jw explanation for this doctrine.

  they explain that satan challenged god regarding his right to rule.

  god failed to prove his right to rule.

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  The best thing I like about God:

  Every artist puts his signature in a corner of his painting (his own creation)—something which God never did for Himself; hence the mystery surrounding Him.

  I like Him for this characteristic of leaving the potential for surprise by not revealing Himself nor purpose of our life which means each one has to find out his purpose.

  JWs provided the best joke for Jehovah in imagining the worst about Him through their teaching of Sovereignty Issue.
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  Universal sovereignty on trial

  by Factfulness in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i just had a thought of clarity regarding the jw explanation for this doctrine.

  they explain that satan challenged god regarding his right to rule.

  god failed to prove his right to rule.

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  venus

  According to Jesus the so-called Sovereignty Issue can’t even take off because he has observed that some would always choose to do what is right, and others would always choose to do what is wrong whether God rules or not. (Mathew 12:35) Hence giving a perfect start is the only viable solution and to “renew” the system of things when it becomes decadent. (Mathew 11:28)

  And also hereditary is not a factor because good children can be born to wicked parents and vice versa. For example, Manasseh was a wicked king of the Kingdom of Judah, yet he was the only son of Hezekiah who was a good king who was, ironically, born to his wicked father Ahaz.
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  Peace security

  by asp59 in

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  never have understood why sudden destruction most come after announcement of peace and security.

  is not peace and security a good thing?

  can someone give a logical answer to it..

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  1Thess 5:3 has no meaning just like verses such as those that say Joshua stopped the sun and the moon, Jesus and Satan together went to a mountain top so that they can see the whole kingdoms of the earth ....

  If it did have meaning, the world would have been ended in 1945 when the UN was established or in 1986 when it declared International Year for Peace.
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  Which Religion is best for you.

  by Not_Culty in

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  The very thing religions have not yet understood is the very word religion which they mean by their very action to be divisive whereas in truth religion has to with re-bonding (from Latin religare, which means “to tie again,” to bring into harmony again.)
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  Death's in Noah's flood

  by Are you serious in

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  has the wt ever come out with an article that indicates how many people died during the mythical flood?

  i searched on their site but couldn't find anything.

  any help would be greatly appreciated.

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  Hi Roboto, You asked: “So how long you figure we got before the machines reset us?”

  I don’t think humanity would survive long breathing CO2 (we pumped 39.8 billion tons of CO2 into the air, just in 2013 alone) as air is massively being polluted daily. Let it have its natural run—which means when all humans return to their real home, it is time for God Father to renew what has become decadent in line with what we find in the nature.

  Situation could be precipitated with our dear President Trump. "You can't manage what you don't measure. The adage is especially relevant for climate-warming greenhouse gases, which are crucial to manage—and challenging to measure. In recent years, though, satellite and aircraft instruments have begun monitoring carbon dioxide and methane remotely, and NASA's Carbon Monitoring System (CMS), a $10-million-a-year research line, has helped stitch together observations of sources and sinks into high-resolution models of the planet's flows of carbon. Now, President Donald Trump's administration has quietly killed the CMS, Science has learned."

  http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2018/05/trump-white-house-quietly-cancels-nasa-research-verifying-greenhouse-gas-cuts
  
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  Death's in Noah's flood

  by Are you serious in

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  has the wt ever come out with an article that indicates how many people died during the mythical flood?

  i searched on their site but couldn't find anything.

  any help would be greatly appreciated.

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  Number could be more than 8 billion, because

  Flood story is a poor copy of the myths found in other cultures. Essence of those myths is that what is new becomes old in the due course of time, and God renews what has become old through some means which varies from culture to culture. That means Old World would end with more than 8 billion people, and New World would again start with two people.

  Hebrews preferred a global flood which may or may not be true. What is true is that Old World would end through some means, and New World would begin with two persons. This would mean there are two phases to each block of history [and two different words for humans to describe their pre-fall and post fall nature]:

  First half of history [New World] is filled with perfect people who had control over their body organs.

  Second half of history [Old World] is filled with imperfect people who lost their control over their body, hence began to be ruled by body.

  Interestingly, the word diamond comes from the Greek adamao, which means "I tame" or "I subdue;" and its adjective adamas means “unbreakable.” From this came the English word adamant [from a = ‘not’ + daman = ‘to tame’] meaning “untamable, invincible”. New World people are adamant stubbornly refusing to listen to Satan (vices personified). In Hebrew language (older than Greek), related to adamah is the word adam, which means “man” or “mankind” in their sinless stage during pre-fall period when they had perfect control over their bodies. In the East, the word for man [admi, admah ..etc] has the same connotation. The Sanskrit words "manush" "manava," meaning “a person with thinking ability,” have the connotation of one who is in control of himself acting thoughtfully in consideration of pros and cons before executing the action, thus using his thinking abilities to rule over his bodily organs.

  This is in contrast to the post-fall people of the second half of the history [also called narak or hell] where they are being ruled by body [bulk of which is neer or water], hence humans are called nara-naaris [from neer, water] who show the characteristics of neer or water that takes the form of its container, the symbol of being ruled by circumstances.
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  NWT 1984 vs NWT 2013

  by Tallon in

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  i recently had a discussion with a jw concerning a change in wording of a scripture - in fact this was my all time favourite scripture, namely, micah 6:8.. my view is that the wtbts have deliberately changed the wording and meaning of the said scripture.

  the other person is of the opinion that that is not the case.

  micah 6:8.

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  Stillin,

  You could see the motive of the Translation Committee. Situation is now different because this is modification on their own existing translation. Replacing kindness with loyalty towards organization is deliberate deviation. This is like what the postal department has done:

  "Save him, not hang him" was the original message from the Highest Authority.

  But the postal department has sent the telegram which read:

  "Save him not, hang him".

  The jail authorities promptly acted on it and hanged the person.
  
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  Jehovah's Angels will protect you out in the ministry. Except from Dogs Pit Bulls

  by Not_Culty in

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  2018 dog attack .

  https://www.whio.com/news/national/pit-bull-attacks-jehovah-witnesses-front-door-police-say/rlreicdww8bkpzjjepxlhm/.

  2013 dog attack .

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  Animals may act/react unpredictably.

  Yet look at what certain governments such as in Russia do to JWs. Bible itself says Governments are God's servant/minister. (Romans 13:4)
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  How to deal with struggling with the doctrines

  by Dval in

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  this is my first post.

  i'm still a jw but am inactive.

  im struggling with the fact that i agree with some of the doctrines (i,e, the stance on the trinity, there is no hell) but i disagree with a lot of things (i,e, men can't have beards, women have to wear skirts).

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  Jesus said nothing matters except our humane behaviour. (Mathew 25:31-46) You can leave behind all your doctrines--acceptable or unacceptable--which are made for the religious establishment.