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  so now what?

  by Kaltas1 in

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  i don't really know what to say i'm a bit nervous.

  but i am new here and i want to say thank you all for these forums and the many contributions people have made.. for about 9 months i been frequenting here and other places on the net while i have undergone an in depth bible analysis.

  after finding that my bible is not consistant with the more favorable options of translating greek words especially in key doctinal areas, i have concluded the great unlikelyhood of jehovah's witnesses having god's blessing and approval.. not just that though.

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  Welcome!

  Have you joined our fan page yet?
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  Problems with the "Bogus AWAA Fan Page"..

  by OUTLAW in

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  good afternoon jwn... .

  i`ve spent the morning and part of my afternoon... getting to the bottom of... why names were added to the awaa fan page... it`s a dangerous thing to happen in our world... faders can be outed,we can lose,family,friends... the results can be an absolute disaster... .

  aawa "did not" create the facebook awaa fan page.

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  warped logic from the memorial talk

  by why144000 in

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  speaker said we should not partake because when jesus arrives he will take the remnat to heaven and the memorial will be no more.

  just as we will not partake then (because the memorial will not exist) it is only logical that we will not partake now.

  warped logic at its finest!.

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  He said the exact same at our Hall. It must have been in he script.

  either we were all at the same Memorial, or it was in the script, because I heard it too.
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  Anyone taking bets on the number of partakers this year?

  by wha happened? in

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  even with the change to "just domestics", i can't see the number going down.

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  don't know 'bout everywhere, but they did not mention the number of last year's partakers at the Memorial I attended. If this is consistent with all the other meetings throughout dubdom, I wouldn't be surprised if they drop off ever announcing number of partakers within a year or two.
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  “New light” Watchtower magazine leaked from organization weeks ahead of general release

  by cedars in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  http://jwsurvey.org/governing-body-2/new-light-watchtower-magazine-leaked-from-organization-weeks-ahead-of-general-release.

  if doctrinal explanations are missing from the article, it is because they are also missing from the magazine.. i would like to give my thanks again to my source for supplying me with the magazine article weeks ahead of its scheduled release.

  it showed remarkable courage, because risks were taken.

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  marking to come back to the link when I have time to read...
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  My thoughts and observations re: the Memorial

  by 144001 in

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  while sitting through my annual visit to a kingdom hall tonight, i had the following thoughts/observations:.

  1. the speaker appealed to the kids: "how many here are 15 years of age or younger?

  " he then went on to tell us how exciting it would be to "lie down" with lions that eat straw instead of flesh, and further discussed jw kids napping with leopards, bears, and cattle.

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  sitting through my annual visit to a kingdom hall tonight

  LOL... me too. Memorial season is the one time of year where family go out of their way to coerce me to go. Instead of creating fights and resentment, I go. Some years I get out of it, some years, not so much. But, it's one hour. Big Deal.

  I pay attention more to the Memorial talk now, than I ever did when I was 'in'. And when you actually pay attention and use critical thinking, you realize just how illogical the whole thing is. It don't make a lick of sense.

  The talk seems to veer further and further away from Jesus each year. Very little was actually said about him, other than the sacrifice he made for me and you. Hell, Adam got as much attention as Jesus. And then a large portion of the talk is about who partakes and why you don't. An equally large portion is geared to making you look forward to paradise, as a distraction from actually thinking through the illogic of it all.

  Here's one thing that stood out to me - they didn't announce how many partook last year. In fact, they said very little about the actual class of partakers, other than trying to explain how they know they're of the anointed. Maybe because I know about the definition change of the Faithful and Discreet Slave it jumped out at me, but it seemed like the first step in devaluing the anointed remnant as a special class. This kind of ties into the 'two hopes' thing mentioned by others. Instead of a F&DS class that has heavenly hope and is of special importance, they're bringing the anointed (no longer the F&DS) down to our level, except they have a heavenly hope as opposed to everyone else's earthly one. Two hopes, equal significance. Only the GB, as the F&DS class, are looked to as having special significance.

  In years past, they used to read a lot from the actual gospels, explaining how Jesus' last days ended and his talk with his apostles and his last prayer with them. Not anymore. They only read one or two scriptures from Luke and the rest is from 1 Corinthians and Isaiah...that's right Isaiah...and the 144,000 one in Revelation (how they do jump around).

  I don't know 'bout y'all - but I thought the memorial of someone's death was about, you know, the one that died. Not the JW Memorial of Jesus' death. It's a bait and switch. Get you in on the premise of one thing and then turn it around to something else.

  In short - it's a cult.
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  So...Did Judas Leave Before the Lord's Evening Meal?

  by undercover in

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  2. friends

  yes, it's that time of year, once again, when the society starts reliving jesus' last few days on earth as a human.... in addition to all the propaganda about the 144,000 and only they being "allowed" to partake of jesus' blood and body at the annual jw deny christ ritual...another jw teaching, though not as dissected, is the teaching that judas iscariot left the room before the bread and wine were shared with the apostles.. it's important to jw doctrine that this be the case.

  because only those who make up the true christian congregation, the annointed, the first of these the faithful apostles, are to partake of these emblems.

  if jesus was already aware of judas' plan to betray him and yet judas was present for this new, important ritual, it would be rendered useless by his partaking.

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  Luke himself was not present at that event. His account is hearsay only. He totally could have been wrong on the order of events.

  Well, then if he got his facts wrong, or mis-heard the story, or rememebered it wrong later, and then recorded it wrong, that brings into question of just how inspired the Bible is... If you can just claim, 'oh, they made mistake, this is what really happened, because I have special communication with God" ( you know, like the GB), then it's all BS
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  So...What Are YOU Doing Tonight?

  by minimus in

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  i think i'll go to my favorite`watering hole and help "celebrate" tonight's festivities.. what are you doing this evening?.

  anyone going to the "lord's evening meal"?.

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  you DO KNOW that you will be thinking of us when you fooling around with your hubby----especially me

  Way to go... you just ruined her night. And this the most holy of nights. Have you no shame?
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  So...Did Judas Leave Before the Lord's Evening Meal?

  by undercover in

  1. jw
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  yes, it's that time of year, once again, when the society starts reliving jesus' last few days on earth as a human.... in addition to all the propaganda about the 144,000 and only they being "allowed" to partake of jesus' blood and body at the annual jw deny christ ritual...another jw teaching, though not as dissected, is the teaching that judas iscariot left the room before the bread and wine were shared with the apostles.. it's important to jw doctrine that this be the case.

  because only those who make up the true christian congregation, the annointed, the first of these the faithful apostles, are to partake of these emblems.

  if jesus was already aware of judas' plan to betray him and yet judas was present for this new, important ritual, it would be rendered useless by his partaking.

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  Another shameless BTTT of one of my Memorial threads...

  'tis the season, ya know
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  JW Memorial celebration has to rely on fairy tale history to support it's importance

  by undercover in

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  once again it is memorial season in jw-land.

  the women are shopping for their easter, er, memorial dresses.

  the kids look forward to, um, well, nevermind...they don't have anything to look forward to.

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  A shameless BTTT, because, well, I can if I wanna