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  The Great Crowd!

  by A Believer in

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  notice the 144000 can be counted and they all come from israel.. 9 after this i saw, and look!

  a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues,*+ standing before the throne and before the lamb, dressed in white robes;+ and there were palm branches in their hands.+ .

  this great crowd, no man was able to number, and they come from every nation!

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  Raining or snowing in your area today, is it? But ya gotta get those pioneer hours in anyway, right?
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  Beatles poster was "Demonized". We had to take it down. How about you?

  by Wasanelder Once in

  1. watchtower
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  in 1967 richard avedon published a poster of his portraits of the beatles.

  my jw aunt attacked it for being spiritualistic!

  the "third" eye on george's palm was spiritualistic!

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  Posters of worldly music stars on your True Christian household walls??? Wow, you had lenient parents. No posters on our godly home walls.

  I did manage to acquire a pretty good record collection, though it did go thru one purging after a particularly hard hitting circuit assembly part on 'debasing music'. After that I learned to keep records in nondescript sleeves (like KISS Alive! was in a Neil Diamond sleeve)
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  Do you still go to meetings?

  by NikL in

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  as i was sitting in the meeting last night i thought about this question.. sometimes it feels really lonely because i don't connect with most others in the congregation and i have to be so careful with the ones with whom i do associate.. quick rundown on my life...got baptized at 17...married at 20...became inactive at 28 wife still active though...came back to meetings with her 20 years later just to keep her quiet and see if they had changed (for a while i actually thought they had)...now i am still inactive and haven't gone out in service or anything.

  i just go to meetings with my wife who is happy as a lark to have me there with her...just go to meetings and think...and think...and think.... anyway, i just wondered if there are any out there like me who are going to meetings and nothing else?.

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  Haven't been to a meeting in 15 years... not counting Memorials. I have gone to them off and on, some years, yes, some years, no.

  As Memorials go, one hour a year doesn't really bother me, and it's a dog and pony show, not the real cult indoctrination style meeting. I can deal with that. But I refuse to go back to regular meetings or conventions. Done and done.
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  Sheeplike?? A Christian Requirement or WT Controlling mechanism?

  by BluesBrother in

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  when we were practising witnesses we heard a lot about the need to be "sheeplike" , having a sheeplike attitude and personality .

  a typical comment might be :.

  "lasting peace & happiness just ahead" 2009 p 30.

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  Well, Clarice... have the lambs stopped screaming?
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  My Thanksgiving Tradition As One of Jehovah's Witnesses

  by TMS in

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  2. beliefs

  the jw prohibition of celebrating holidays includes the american celebration of thanksgiving, a sort of innocuous harvest festival, where thanks is given for the year's blessings.

  a typical family eats a large meal together, including turkey and all the trimmings.

  in recent decades, nfl football, always involving the dallas cowboys and detroit lions, has become part of the routine, as well as drinking beer.. every year or so, the "awake!

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  My in-laws celebrate Thanksgiving, complete with turkey and all the dressings, and joining in with non-JW family for the occasion. They just don't admit it.

  My family, a much more conservative branch of JWism, never came close to doing anything that could be construed as 'celebrating' anything worldly. We hid in the dark on Halloween. We laid up provisions and shuttered ourselves inside for the entire Thanksgiving weekend. Similar with Xmas. Pretended the other holidays didn't exist.

  So, it was quite the adjustment for me to visit my in-laws over Thanksgiving after getting married. They never admitted celebrating, and they never used the word 'Thanksgiving' yet we celebrated it just as hard as everyone else who wasn't a JW.
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  Election Post-Mortem

  by Simon in

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  2. current

  i'm sure many people, republicans included, are shocked at the results of the 2016 presidential election.

  really, wtf!.

  the polls were wrong and although it's tempting to blame voter suppression and fbi interference, that would just avoid looking at the real issues for the loss.

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  It's another one finger gesture from the electorate to their leaders, a real "fuck you, we'll do as we like" sort of gesture. Just like in the UK, there's a rebellion among ordinary folk

  Based a lot on fear with a good dollop of ignorance thrown in. I know quite a few people who supported Trump. They aren't bigots, or sexists, or even hard core right wingers. But they feel disenfranchised as the world changes around them. America is a big country, and the 'progressiveness' of the urban centers does not reach out into the rural areas where most people's lives haven't changed for generations. Due to a certain degree of ignorance, they fear new ideas and things unknown to them, and they buy into conservative rhetoric. Throw in the baggage that came with Clinton (and she did have quite the luggage compartment), and then when that candidate calls them 'deplorable', they get their back up. And just as moderate, well meaning Republicans held their nose and voted for Clinton, many of these decent, hard working, backbone of the working class folks revolted against the political machine of Clinton, held their nose and voted for Trump.

  It is sad to a degree that many of the decent people get swept up into the 'depolorable' basket along with the real bigots, sexists and hatemongers. But OTOH, if slop around in the mud with a pig, you might get mistaken for one.
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  Government turning on religion - or - I how I learned to stop worrying and love Drumpf

  by undercover in

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  2. friends

  where, exactly, does the bible say that government(s) will turn on religion?

  i mean, other than interpreting some crazy visions/dreams from revelation as such?.

  with one megalomaniac leading the gop race for nomination to vie for president of the usa, i've noticed that paranoia has ratcheted up a notch or three.

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  Resurrecting (hey! Get me! I'm Jesus!) this old thread.

  Looks like my predictions were wrong. Armageddon is again in the fore front of many a JW mind today.

  But, OTOH, when the election is over, and someone else is in office, we can sit back and chuckle as the Armageddon is once again put back on hold, and dubs can go back to worrying about their field service hours, and where to stop for break...
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  JWs Excited Trump Won

  by LaurenM in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i am incredibly disturbed.

  many of the jws i'm still friends with on facebook are incredibly excited that trump won the american presidential race, posting, "yay!

  i'm so happy!

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  They are happy that their country is facing a Fascist crisis. They think it will jump start Armageddon.

  Exactly. It is amazing how they read into a world event, that has nothing to do with them, that it's all about them.

  I reminded one family member that while this may be a dark moment, it's not Hitler or Stalin, or the great depression (yet) or war (yet). They didn't get it. They weren't alive then to see the atrocities or the troubles of past generations. They only see the here and now, and believe what they're told to believe by the WTS.
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  New movie by Mel Gibson 'Hacksaw ridge'

  by barry in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i just went to a pre screening of this movie about an adventist guy who didn't want to kill but joined the army as a medic on the front line.

  desmond doss saved 75 men in one operation singlehanded on the island of okinawa where desmond worked lowering men down a 400ft cliff to safety.. i thought this may be of interest to jws because of the pacifist stand they also have.. the movie comes out on the 4 th november..

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  By definition, JWs are not pacifists, but by their actions, many, if not most, people regard them as pacifists. It's about perception, and like it or not, perception can be converted to reality when enough people subsribe to a particular notion. Throw in their stance on blood, and avoidance of holidays and other 'worldly' customs, and the perception is enhanced.
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  Can JWs really vote now , since when?

  by Crazyguy in

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  2. beliefs

  is this true??

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  If a JW in the US was DFd for voting, would their be a civil rights violation? I know the Civil Rights Act of 65 was more about race and color, but to deny (through threat of punishment by shunning) a citizen the right to vote seems to be on a slippery legal slope...