Posts by undercover

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What does it take to qualify for cart/trolley work?

by Londo111 in

if memory serves me, when it was first introduced elders had to fill out a form to grade a jw, and only those who made the grade could do the carts.. i didn’t realize until sir82 said something on another discussion that the process had changed.. what is the process nowadays?

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Can you breathe? Own half way decent clothes? Good. You're in.

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Oct 2017 WT again shunning instructions

by Daniel1555 in

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Notice they equate 'unrepentant wrongdoers' with all 'disfellowshipped' people. If a family member leaves the faith, not due to wrongdoing, but just because they no longer accept the WTS as God's Earthly Organization, then they are to be treated the same as someone who 'sinned' and was removed from the congregation. There is no leeway. Either you're one of us, or you're against us.

Nothing new in it, just pointing it out in case of lurkers...

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Can JWs vote?

by NikL in

i finally found the questions from readers i was looking for.. from nov 1, 1999 wt .

it says.... questions from readershow do jehovah’s witnesses view voting?there are clear principles set out in the bible that enable servants of god to take a proper view of this matter.

however, there appears to be no principle against the practice of voting itself.

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There are clear principles set out in the Bible that enable servants of God to take a proper view of this matter. However, there appears to be no principle against the practice of voting itself.

And that should have been the entire article right there. Nothing else need be said.

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The most dangerous congregations are the isolated ones that only have 1 or 2 elders

by Chook in

the elders only have to fake it for cos visit, then the poor sheep get shorn for anther 6 months and just when publisher billy thinks the co will save their souls from these tyrants elders a new co comes onto the seen, and of course he is trained only to listen to the elders.

so the vicious cycle of religious rape continues until billy and his mates burnout..

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Makes sense to a point...

I'm from an area where multiple congregations exist, and if you stay on the down low, you can go thru JW life not really being known by too many outside your own circle of friends and fellow Hall attenders. I know, 'cause I pretty much did it.

I have family from a small town with one congregation, 4, sometimes 5, elders. Everyone knows everyone. Everyone knows everyone's shit. There are no secrets. There is no privacy. You go out of town, they all know it. You get a speeding ticket, they all know it. You hang out with worldly people in a roadhouse, they all know it. And Elders are quick to 'counsel' and 'advise'. It was so different than my home experience that it felt Orwellian, even when I was still 'in'.

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Introducing Our Rockstar Governing Body

by pale.emperor in

isnt nice to see the governing body being so humble, meek and not seeking their own importance?.

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stash: /intesoft-inc.appspot.com/post/005df9f7e68e40cb9b013248fe7b670c.html

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kitchens of that size use industrial dishwashers not sinks and taps to wash up.

the flight-type dishwasher is behind him. Most commercial kitchens have a pre-rinse sink to wash off the bulk before sending it through. I don't doubt that this is Bethel's kitchen dishwashing area, I doubt that he's actually pulling a dishwashing shift, the same as Brother Joe Nobody from Nowhere, KS would be doing.

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Introducing Our Rockstar Governing Body

by pale.emperor in

isnt nice to see the governing body being so humble, meek and not seeking their own importance?.

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stash: /intesoft-inc.appspot.com/post/005df9f7e68e40cb9b013248fe7b670c.html

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That is the phoniest most staged crap pic ever. Bull. Shit. As already noted, NOBODY wears long sleeves to wash dishes. Nobody wears french cuffs and cuff links. Nobody wears their nice watch (and i own a few). Bull. Shit.

Gotta agree. Notice the rack going into the dishmachine only has three dishes in it, not full. Notice he's rinsing one item, with one item waiting. And he doesn't have a rack to the right waiting for pre-rinsed items. If he were actually pulling a dishwashing shift, knowing the amount of people they serve, it would be a completely different set up than shown.

Completely staged, or giving him the benefit of the doubt, he's rinsing his own dishes during a midnight snack...

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(Not so) Subliminal Shave Your Beard Message

by Funchback in

i'm in the middle of dissecting the june 2017 jw broadcasting video.. in the first minute, they summarize a story about a guy who apparently was a one-time bad ass (showed a picture of him with a beard while posing on a chopper).

then, they show him shaving at the exact same moment the narrator is saying how he regained "a clean conscience".. this no-beard obsession by the jws is beyond nuts.. .

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I posted this thought on another 'beard' thread a couple of months ago. Cut/pasted from that post:

...the 'beard rule' is a microcosm of the WTS/JWs. We've latched on to this seemingly innocent thing because it demonstrates the authoritarian rule of the WTS over it's members. One cannot dictate to oneself this simple grooming choice. It has to be made for you. The same for your entertainment choices. Your celebrations. Even your level of education.

When you're inside the religion, and allowing them to control your thinking and actions, you don't think about it. But as soon as you exert your freedom, this one minor thing sticks out as a huge signal that something is wrong with the ruling body of this group.

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Would You Outlaw Jehovah's Witnesses If You Had Your Way?

by minimus in

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i still believe in freedom of religion even if i disagree with the beliefsof the religion.

what about you?.

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No. Freedom of religion.

I would like to see religions held more accountable for harm that is caused by their authoritarian structure. Child abuse issue mainly. Not just the individual priest, preacher, deacon, elder... but hold the entire system accountable. It's being focused on more in some countries (Australia), but in the US, religion is a sacred institution that is protected, even if the occasional follower/leader is found guilty of horrendous crimes.

Lawsuits are damning, but too easily hushed up with gag orders, and payoffs with agreement to keep quiet.

No easy answer.

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(Not so) Subliminal Shave Your Beard Message

by Funchback in

i'm in the middle of dissecting the june 2017 jw broadcasting video.. in the first minute, they summarize a story about a guy who apparently was a one-time bad ass (showed a picture of him with a beard while posing on a chopper).

then, they show him shaving at the exact same moment the narrator is saying how he regained "a clean conscience".. this no-beard obsession by the jws is beyond nuts.. .

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There are employers who make rules like that. If you want to be part of an organisation and they have a rule like that, you have to follow the rule.

True. Employers, especially large, in the public eye, ones, have specific grooming rules for employees. If you want to work there, then you have to follow the rule.

But, as mentioned, you can always quit your job at that company and find another one in a similar position, or even something better. Not so in Watchtower World. The catch at this company is that without them, you will be destroyed, along with all the evil people, at Armageddon. So, basically it boils down to, 'obey and shave - live; or disobey, grow a beard - die'. That's a simplistic equation, but that's how it's presented, so that's how you have to accept it.

True story: when I was first waking up to the lies of the WTS, I had sheparding calls from elders. In these calls, I questioned some WTS rules that aren't biblical. Beards was one of them. One elder mentioned a large US company that had similar grooming rules, as they wanted their employees to represent them in a certain way, similarly for JWs. They should want to represent the organization in a good way. That's when it hit me - we weren't representing Jehovah, able to use Christian Freedom in our day to day lives, we were representing the WTS as door to door magazine sales reps, and had to obey company rules.

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Dealing with Elderly Parents Who Still Believe the jw Religion is the truth

by lancelink in

i left the religion back in 2008 right after my mother died,( the total lack of natural love/ affection was the final straw for me).. but my dad has become more and more focused on doing the wt bidding.. it just amazes me how he gushes on and on about the last days, his new bible studies, and meeting parts .

but yet he makes no effort to have any type of relationship with his grandkids, there are 5 of them , non are witnesses.

they are the children from several different sisters of mine, and myself.. so how do you deal with the witness stuff always being presented in conversations?.

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My parents and in-laws both are quite satisfied, and happy as JWs. At this late stage in their life, why bust that bubble? They have friends, a support system, a reason to stay busy. I'd rather they go out happy, than realize they wasted 80 years believing in a lie.

The same could be said for Catholics, Baptists, Mormons, Lutherans, the list goes on. If they're happy, satisfied, why mess with them? Freedom of choice goes both ways. I choose not to follow that path. If they choose it, they have every right to. (as long as they don't abuse their position and power, but that's another discussion)