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  Interesting conversation with JW friend

  by Jules Saturn in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i was withh a friend of mine who is a jw still and for whatever reason we started talking the bible.

  i asked him about lazarus and how is that when he died he paid the price of sin, but then jesus resurrected him.

  and i asked him "where is lazarus today?

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  "At least we ain't Lazarus, and had to think twice 'bout dying"
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  Stupid, stupid nonsense in the October JW broadcast

  by sir82 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so in the october jw broadcast, there is a "morning worship" segment in which g. jackson goes to great lengths to explain how the term "those taking the lead" are not "leaders".. the terms are exactly equivalent, of course, but jackson, with a wink & smirk, pats himself on the back for his own cleverness on how different they really are.it's just so bizarrely absurd.. imagine if such tortured reasoning were applied to other areas..... -------------------------------------.

  restaurant manager: i'm sorry, the only position we have open is for dishwasher.

  applicant: that's insulting!

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  Jackson goes to great lengths to explain how the term "those taking the lead" are not "leaders".

  Methinks they are laying the groundwork to distance themselves from being held accountable for possible major lawsuits coming. Won't work in the courts, of course, but in the minds of the true believers, they can be convinced that their leaders, er, um, those taking the lead, I mean, are not responsible for the grievous behavior being blamed on them.
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  Separation and Dubs

  by DATA-DOG in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  hey everyone,.

  i haven't posted for some time.

  i've been busy with life in the real world.

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  However, some married Christians have viewed certain situations as a reason for separation, such as the extreme endangerment of one’s life or spirituality by an abusive or apostate spouse."

  So much for the propaganda of how JWs don't break up families - or - How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love Not Having Freedom of Religion
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  "The shootings in Las Vegas show how much we need God's Kingdom"

  by Sour Grapes in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  my jw wife, like all of us, was saddened by the senseless killings in nevada.

  she said, "the shootings just shows how much we need god's kingdom.

  " i replied, "yes if it was armageddon, jehovah wouldn't have left any survivors.

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  After some celebrity dies, there are invariably comments, sometimes lots of comments, about how glad the writer is that [dead celebrity] will be resurrected in paradise, and how much the writer is looking forward to singing / dancing / what have you with [dead celebrity].

  I guess I've been away too long. I do remember the occasional zealot making a comment like that here and there, but it was usually an older person, or one of those that wasn't quite right to begin with. It seems most of us didn't dare utter such nonsense, because, I think, deep down we knew it was wrong to be gleeful over people suffering and dying.

  So does this mean lots of dubs are happy about Tom Petty? They're hoping they can jam with him and the All Star Dub Band in the New System?
  
  
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  "The shootings in Las Vegas show how much we need God's Kingdom"

  by Sour Grapes in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  my jw wife, like all of us, was saddened by the senseless killings in nevada.

  she said, "the shootings just shows how much we need god's kingdom.

  " i replied, "yes if it was armageddon, jehovah wouldn't have left any survivors.

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  Theological conundrum... as a JW, you hope for 'the end' to come soon, where God destroys 99.9% of the world's population, and this is a good thing.

  But most JWs when they see disasters, and violence kill multiple people, they are usually saddened much like anyone else.

  But, if they truly believed their own doctrine, they should be happy for these people... These people just got a free pass to the other side, while those that Jehovah destroys are destroyed forever.
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  JW Stumper Questions - List You Best Here

  by pale.emperor in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  hi guys.

  sooner or later we're going to get a jw knocking on our door.

  just like when we were jw's doing the knocking, it's good to have a question prepared to get them thinking about their own beliefs.

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  Saw several that are kind of 'go to' questions, when pressured. Blood doctrine questions. I like the 'do you believe in freedom of religion? Why shun those who leave your religion?'

  But a picture is worth a thousand words - especially to a group of people who don't really read that well. So:

  Present a cover of the 1984 WT with the illustration of the old folks, and the caption, "1914 - The Generation That Will Not Pass Away", and ask, 'Are these people still alive? Has the generation of 1914 passed away?'
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  Why the NFL Protest Is a Massive and Insulting Failure

  by freemindfade in

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  2. current

  i think everyone has the freedom to protest, they also have freedom of speech, these are two fundamental things that make america amazing.

  but thinking rationally about what is going on with the nfl, therefore, i have an unfavorable opinion of the league, and the players, not their right to free speech, but their motive and execution of it.

  constitutional freedom to protest ends at the workplace door too.

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  Lost in all this is that Trump's hand in this past weekend is a typical Trump tactic. Fire up his base, piss off his adversaries, get both sides arguing and fighting, and then introduce new travel restrictions while most people are bitching about ball players...
  
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  The Challenges and Benefits of Home-Schooling

  by pale.emperor in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  a pro jw forum.

  interesting reading, very one sided of course:.

  https://jwtalk.net/forums/topic/23726-the-challenges-and-benefits-of-home-schooling/.

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  JWs love home schooling. They can indoctrinate during their school classes/work, just as they can any other time. And it carries over in all aspects.

  In my home town, the local home schoolers (somehow organized through the state or something, not sure how it worked) staged a play and all parents/families/friends were invited to attend. Much like going to a play at a real school. I went, invited because my nephew was home schooled, and in the play. Come to find out, when I got there, 80% or more of the kids were JW kids. So the audience was roughly 80% JW. My brother, nephew's father, was invited to attend of course. However - he's DFd. He was shunned by all the other JW parents in attendance. I and a couple of non-JWs were the only ones to have a conversation with him.

  It was surreal. Typical parents cheering their kids on, joyful before and after the performance, yet making it clear that this one father was unwelcome and unliked. One child tried to speak to him, but was dragged away by a parent and scolded for talking to the DFd man.

  Now, that's the kind of environment I don't want my kids in...
  
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  Oh The Irony

  by FedUpJW in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so i sat and suffered through the clam tonight.. everything was pretty much as dull, repetitious, and simple-minded as i have come to expect, but i was really struck by the mind-numbing idiotic comments made during the part about shunning family.. then came the book study (no real bible use) loaded with self-congratulatory b.s about how wt never has, and never will beg, solicit, or ask for money.

  i could feel myself beginning to channel the old tasmanian devil cartoon character as i listened to that garbage while remembering the jdubya tv shows about how more money was going out than coming in and give more.

  but finally came the most ironic (to me) part of the entire meeting and i could not help bursting out in a loud belly laugh that got me many dirty looks and heavy frowns.

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  Did they specify what this 14 dollars was for.

  They'll never let on that it's for the 'Have to Pay Those Pesky Lawsuits" fund
  
  
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  Now Scottish history disproves the flood

  by Splash in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  wt state that the global flood that wiped everything away happened in 2370 bce.. there's been a wealth of evidence from many quarters which prove that life continued as normal for civilizations during that time period.. now scotland adds to that body of evidence as detailed in this bbc report:.

  neolithic orkney - new study.

  key dates indicated by the study.

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  The trouble with Scotland is that it's full of Scots

  I always chuckle at that when Edward Longshanks says it in Braveheart. I love Scotland and the Scots though.

  Oh yeah, this is about evidence that makes the Bible Flood non factual. While you'll never 'win' an argument with a true believer, it can plant seeds that germinate later. Present the facts, allow the facts to speak for themselves. Even if they don't accept them from you, you evil apostate, they may later stumble onto similar info from another source not as likely to trigger the defense mechanism.