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How Many Witnesses Would Really Take Blood?

by minimus in

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up until the very end, my mother refused blood.

it didn't matter if it was a blurred line or not, the bible says "no blood"!

i wonder if she was in the minority, in her thinking.

undercover

All of them. They are all prepared to take it in whatever form the GB say is OK.

I dunno... my mother, when filling out a blood card (this was a few years ago, when we actually spoke of JW matters still), refused to check the boxes that allowed for certain fractions. I reminded her that it was okay to accept these fractions according to the WTS, and she should check the boxes, but she said something to the effect of, 'it's best not to test the boundaries, but to be cautious when giving doctors permission in regards to blood'.

So even when they allowed fractions, she wouldn't bend on the previous application of 'no blood, no how, no way'

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Do They Still do Door-to-Door as Much as Before?

by cofty in

since the advent of the trolleys do the majority of jws still go door to door like we used to?.

do they still have meetings for field service on sat mornings and sun afternoons where most head off to the local territory while one or two go to do trolley work or has the importance of door to door work reduced?.

with the reduction of printing wts and awakes what will they offer at the doors?.

undercover

They came by my house a couple of weeks ago. Regular door to door work. They had stopped by about 6 months ago as well... found a tract folded up, jammed in the screen door.

I haven't see too many carts around town where I live. It seems they wait until there's a large event and set up where throngs of people are sure to walk by (ignoring them).

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At the annual meeting right now . . .

by neat blue dog in

i'm at the recorded meeting right now.

trying to hide my disgust sitting up front listening to geoffrey jackson quibble about the pharisaical minutai of sanctification vs. vindication.

the audience is thrilled that they now have 'permission' to say god's name can be vindicated.

undercover

The audience is thrilled that they now have 'permission' to say God's name can be vindicated.

What? What is preaching Armageddon is coming, if not to prove vindication of God's name and authority?

EDIT: I just read that 95 WT quote. What a load of crap. Vindication, sanctification, let's call the whole thing off

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JW-Wayback.org - Massive Watchtower Archives Free To Download

by pale.emperor in

http://jw-wayback.org/en/static1/library.

the owner has done an excellent job of scanning, downloading and making available pretty much everything watchtower ever did.. one to bookmark i think!.

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Thanks!

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Interesting conversation with JW friend

by Jules Saturn in

i was withh a friend of mine who is a jw still and for whatever reason we started talking the bible.

i asked him about lazarus and how is that when he died he paid the price of sin, but then jesus resurrected him.

and i asked him "where is lazarus today?

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"At least we ain't Lazarus, and had to think twice 'bout dying"

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Stupid, stupid nonsense in the October JW broadcast

by sir82 in

so in the october jw broadcast, there is a "morning worship" segment in which g. jackson goes to great lengths to explain how the term "those taking the lead" are not "leaders".. the terms are exactly equivalent, of course, but jackson, with a wink & smirk, pats himself on the back for his own cleverness on how different they really are.it's just so bizarrely absurd.. imagine if such tortured reasoning were applied to other areas..... -------------------------------------.

restaurant manager: i'm sorry, the only position we have open is for dishwasher.

applicant: that's insulting!

undercover

Jackson goes to great lengths to explain how the term "those taking the lead" are not "leaders".

Methinks they are laying the groundwork to distance themselves from being held accountable for possible major lawsuits coming. Won't work in the courts, of course, but in the minds of the true believers, they can be convinced that their leaders, er, um, those taking the lead, I mean, are not responsible for the grievous behavior being blamed on them.

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Separation and Dubs

by DATA-DOG in

hey everyone,.

i haven't posted for some time.

i've been busy with life in the real world.

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However, some married Christians have viewed certain situations as a reason for separation, such as the extreme endangerment of one’s life or spirituality by an abusive or apostate spouse."

So much for the propaganda of how JWs don't break up families - or - How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love Not Having Freedom of Religion

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"The shootings in Las Vegas show how much we need God's Kingdom"

by Sour Grapes in

my jw wife, like all of us, was saddened by the senseless killings in nevada.

she said, "the shootings just shows how much we need god's kingdom.

" i replied, "yes if it was armageddon, jehovah wouldn't have left any survivors.

undercover

After some celebrity dies, there are invariably comments, sometimes lots of comments, about how glad the writer is that [dead celebrity] will be resurrected in paradise, and how much the writer is looking forward to singing / dancing / what have you with [dead celebrity].

I guess I've been away too long. I do remember the occasional zealot making a comment like that here and there, but it was usually an older person, or one of those that wasn't quite right to begin with. It seems most of us didn't dare utter such nonsense, because, I think, deep down we knew it was wrong to be gleeful over people suffering and dying.

So does this mean lots of dubs are happy about Tom Petty? They're hoping they can jam with him and the All Star Dub Band in the New System?

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"The shootings in Las Vegas show how much we need God's Kingdom"

by Sour Grapes in

my jw wife, like all of us, was saddened by the senseless killings in nevada.

she said, "the shootings just shows how much we need god's kingdom.

" i replied, "yes if it was armageddon, jehovah wouldn't have left any survivors.

undercover

Theological conundrum... as a JW, you hope for 'the end' to come soon, where God destroys 99.9% of the world's population, and this is a good thing.

But most JWs when they see disasters, and violence kill multiple people, they are usually saddened much like anyone else.

But, if they truly believed their own doctrine, they should be happy for these people... These people just got a free pass to the other side, while those that Jehovah destroys are destroyed forever.

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JW Stumper Questions - List You Best Here

by pale.emperor in

hi guys.

sooner or later we're going to get a jw knocking on our door.

just like when we were jw's doing the knocking, it's good to have a question prepared to get them thinking about their own beliefs.

undercover

Saw several that are kind of 'go to' questions, when pressured. Blood doctrine questions. I like the 'do you believe in freedom of religion? Why shun those who leave your religion?'

But a picture is worth a thousand words - especially to a group of people who don't really read that well. So:

Present a cover of the 1984 WT with the illustration of the old folks, and the caption, "1914 - The Generation That Will Not Pass Away", and ask, 'Are these people still alive? Has the generation of 1914 passed away?'