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  God's supposedly chosen earthly organization (WTS/JWS) doesn't pronounce or spell god's name correctly !!!

  by Finkelstein in

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  2. beliefs

  this came up on terry walstrom thread topic recently and i thought it would be good to explore this further.

  the jws are quite boisterous and arrogant that they use the proper name of jehovah as the divine name of god.

  but a little investigation discovers something quite different.

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  The definition of irony:

  Name a brochure about God's name, "The Divine Name that Will Endure Forever", and then admit in said brochure that no one really knows the pronunciation of God's name.
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  Is there a Child Molester on the Governing Body?

  by TTATTelder in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  great report by abc on the abuses in jw-dot-org land.... i hope it opens a "floodgate" of future news reports and exposes.

  if you ask yourself, "why hasn't the watchtower leadership changed their policy on the 2 witness rule?

  if one or more persons on the gb has victims out there that can't come forward because of the 2 witness rule, then that would explain the permanent road block to policy change that is obviously in place.

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  Google Ewart Chitty and Leo Greenlees

  The rumors about those two can't be substantiated, but if true you can rest assured that if there was ever another current member to be accused or found out to be an abuser, the public, and especially the JW followers, would never, ever hear of it.
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  The Walking Dead cocktail party reminds me of... me

  by undercover in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  as fans of the walking dead know, our heros have found sanctuary (or have they) at alexandria, a seemingly normal safe zone from the walkers/rotters/etc.

  this past episode had rick's 'family' invited to a 'welcome to the community' cocktail party, hosted by deanna, the leader of the community.. having entered alexandria, we're starting to see the different levels of ptsd in our little group.

  rick, carol, and daryl trust no one.

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  As fans of The Walking Dead know, our heros have found sanctuary (or have they) at Alexandria, a seemingly normal safe zone from the walkers/rotters/etc. This past episode had Rick's 'family' invited to a 'welcome to the community' cocktail party, hosted by Deanna, the leader of the community.

  Having entered Alexandria, we're starting to see the different levels of PTSD in our little group. Rick, Carol, and Daryl trust no one. Others want to trust, but are wary. At the party, Rick initially refuses an alcoholic beverage, while Abraham finds courage in the available beer. Daryl doesn't even go in the front door, and Sasha goes off on a well-meaning villager who wanted to know her favorite dish.

  I know that the horrors of a TV zombie apocalypse are not comparable to being raised in a cult-like religion, but watching this episode, especially how Rick's crew were trying to feel at home, or accept that this party was somehow normal, I could especially relate as someone who feared, and avoided the 'world' growing up. Everything 'worldly' was like a walker coming to try to eat me, and I avoided it as such. But upon learning TTATT, and realizing that the 'world' wasn't the evil, demon possessed people I was led to believe for so long. But even as I realized that the things learned as a JW were incorrect, and I started to move out into the real world, I felt a lot like Rick's people, as they tried to fit in to what to everyone else is a normal situation. They were uncomfortable, slow to let their guard down. Just like I was when I first started making friends on the 'outside'.

  The only real difference between us and Rick's group is that they fear being inside the group, while we first feared leaving the confines of the group we were in. But for me, it did get better, but there is a lingering feeling of not always fitting in, even today, several years later.

  Hopefully for us, we fare better than our WD friends have so far. And hopefully Daryl takes a shower, Rick doesn't kill Jessie's husband, Carol doesn't tie the kid to the tree for the walkers, and Abraham doesn't have a hangover.
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  My wife is frightened about the end/ What to say without sounding Apostate?

  by suavojr in

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  2. friends

  my wife called me at work saying she is scared after reading today's daily text.

  i don't read it anymore, therefore i went online and found this.. tuesday, march 3 .

  those days will be cut short.matt.

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  I thought dubs were supposed to be happy that the end was coming? Raise your heads erect and all that crap...

  All those WT illustrations show the survivors of Armageddon smiling and happy, even though the world around them lies in ruin.

  Is it that she's scared for you, because you're not adhering to WT teachings anymore? Or is she scared because she feels she isn't living up to standards?
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  Your body of elders - were they liberal, conservative or moderate?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  in my first kingdom hall, the elders were ultra conservative.

  our presiding overseer used to be a zone overseer.

  the second hall i was in was moderate.

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  I was in several congregations over the years, and I saw a wide variety of elders. Nazi control freaks, ex-hippie full of mercy types, middle of the road, but still obeying the WTS. In the end, it didn't really matter. As long as they remained an elder, they were part of the machine. Unless they stepped down, they were not to be wholly trusted. Those that meant well, but never stepped down, got stepped on. I saw one good man after another whither under the onslaught of the jerks and lackeys to the WTS.

  
  

  Which reminds me... I ran into a guy I grew up with in the JW religion (started to say 'the truth' - old habits die hard). I asked about his family, and he told me that his father, an uber-zealous, by-the-book, hard-nosed, power hungry, WT appointed trouble shooter in our congregation at the time, had died just a few weeks prior. I found myself not feeling anything. Not sadness, not grief, but not joy, or glee either. It was as if I had read a stranger's obit in the newspaper.

  The longer I'm out, the less I care about most JWs I knew for years, or even decades, unless it was someone I was close to, or actually saw some good in. Most of the ones that are dying off now mean little to nothing to me...especially elders and Bethel lifers. I'm either an insensitive, heartless clod, or - I'm learning to put it all behind me, and move on with a new life. Not sure yet...
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  Is there anything about the JW's you still like?

  by donny in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  some jw's on various postingshave asked me was there anything about the jw's i still agree with.

  of course there are some things i agree with and some i partially do.

  1. political involvement - while i do not agree with totally avoiding anything associated with politics, i agree that many of todays churches are way too involved in trying to sway their constituents beliefs.

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  Political Involvement - while I do not agree with totally avoiding anything associated with politics, I agree that many of todays churches are way too involved in trying to sway their constituents beliefs. After I left the JW's and attended "trad...itional" churches, I grew tired of the ones who kept telling me that if I didn't vote Republican I would be voting against God which is ridiculous.

  There was a time when I felt similarly. But... having seen how the WTS uses legal means to prevent themselves from answering for their culpability in crimes committed by their elders and followers (see Barbara Anderson's links to the investigative reporting on the WTS and child abuse), I don't even give them credit for that anymore. It's one thing to preach being non-political, it's another to preach it, yet use the court system to prevent prosecution, or preserve their constitutional rights, while denying their members those same rights (freedom of religion).

  The very least amount of credit you can give them is for refusing to fight in wars. And even that is debatable, depending on the enemy and the war that they're trying to avoid.
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  WALKING DEAD fans - Was that a JW at the very end of the latest episode?

  by Zoos in

  1. social
  2. entertainment

  did you see the last episode?

  that nicely dressed, freshly-shaven young man that came out from behind the trees at the very end and said:.

  i didn't mean to interrupt.

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  Naw.... if Aaron had been a JW, he, or his group, wouldn't have left bottled water in the road for Rick & Co. Instead, there would have been a JW cart full of literature... because as we all know, only through the pages of WT literature can you get life's water free...
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  Conversation with a “Genius" JW

  by Bloody Hotdogs! in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this is a real conversation i had with a jw friend last night.

  several times previously he claimed to be a certified genius, having supposedly passed the mensa test.... .

  me: so what do you think about jws condoning the idea that dinosaurs could have lived with humans?.

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  As far as JWs go, that's about genius level.

  Seriously though, intelligence doesn't mean much when you have a large blind spot of faith interfering with your critical thinking skills.  I've known some really smart, I mean, up there in the brain department smart, JWs that were just as zealous in JWism as the most simple minded, uneducated, and illiterate publisher in the congregation.  On the other hand, I've known average JWs with average intelligence, and little formal education, realize that the WTS was BS, and escaped.  
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  Noah preached 100-120 years and no followers. What the hell was he preaching?

  by James Mixon in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  let me see if i have this straight.

  we are to believe noah preached over a 100 years with 0 effect.. the bible records that lamech, noah's father had sons and daughter's but the number is not included.

  to have a plural number of brothers and sisters, there would be at least four siblings, two brothers and two sisters.. my folks had 6 kids and 90 years later there are over 100 family members.. some say based on what's written in gen.6:3, noah preached anywhere between 100-120 years.

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  Noah wasn't commissioned to preach.  Nowhere in the account does it say he was to preach.  He was commissioned to build an ark.  And that's taking the account as it's written, and ignoring the silliness of the entire story. 

  The idea of Noah being a preacher came later.
  
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  Did you go to your prom or belong to a "worldly" club while you were a witness?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i didn't go to the prom but i did belong to a chess club until the awake article said it was a war game and suggested true christians wouldn't play such a game.

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  No proms, no dances, no clubs, no sports, no pep rallies, no school concerts, no voting in class elections, no nuthin...

  ...and people wondered why I hated school, and couldn't wait to graduate...