Posts by undercover

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When did "The Last Days" of JW Organization Begin? Will This Generation See It End?

by steve2 in

a growing discourse on this forum has been around what "the end" means.

as jws, many here spent varying proportions of our lives waiting for the end when an unsettling realization was that the end that approaches is more likely to be from old age than the world's end.

through the centuries, group after group, has claimed it has "inside" information on the end of the world, drawing in the desperate-for-comfort like moths to flames.

undercover

I'll go with 1995 and the 'generation change'. The WTS managed to avoid total ship jumping after 1975, by keeping people fooled with the generation of 1914. Okay, so the end wasn't in 75, but it'll happen in the next 20 or so years. When that doctrine went belly up, I think it sent a ripple through the ranks. Not an outright revolt right away, but a definite sense of urgency was lost. The end was delayed. Why kill ourselves? Let's relax a little. And that allowed other interests in, which detracted from the World Wide Work.

Add to that the Internet, and suddenly all kinds of information and knowledge were at everyone's fingertips, it made it hard to cover up the failings, missed predictions, and downright stupidity of the past.

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Picture in latest Watchtower . . . What is it?

by neat blue dog in

in this picture from the latest watchtower, what in the world is the guy watching on the left side of the picture??

it looks like a female vampire holding a lightsaber.

am i missing something?.

undercover

The pic on the left looks like a movie/video game zombie.
The pic on the right is a zombie.

I logged in just so I could 'like' that comment.

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My unbelieving husband was offended by the WatchTower just studied

by Isambard Crater in

it was the paragraph talking about people who don't want to be j.w's being executed, and it being an act of compassion from jehovah towards his witnesses..

undercover

My unbelieving husband was offended by the WatchTower just studied

Any decent person would/should be.

If this Jehovah destroying the wicked to preserve his people was a TV show, then yea, maybe you can make a black and white case for killing the enemies. Not unlike watching The Walking Dead, and getting all exasperated with Jesus (character's name, not the 'real' Son of God) when he doesn't kill the Saviors, but cheering when Daryl takes out their enemies without hesitation. But that's TV. And it's not a real case scenario, it's the imagination of a graphic novel writer and TV writers. It's entertainment.

The WT writers aren't trying to entertain, they indoctrinating their followers to look at the real world in a black and white case. You're either a worshiper of Jehovah, or you're a wicked person, deserving of destruction. A byproduct of that is to occasionally offend a 'wicked' person. Too bad, just shows their heart isn't in the right place. Guess they'll be executed. Jesus (the 'real' one this time) on a white horse or Daryl on a motorcycle. Pick your preferred fairy tale...

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Exjw activists protesting inside a Kingdom Hall today!

by Crazyguy in

spoonfed nomore, has uploaded a video on his youtube site, of exjw activists protesting inside a kingdom hall during this sunday meeting.

several people speak out.

if some one can put a link on here that would be awesome, i can’t figure out how to do it with an i phone.

undercover

I can not fathom why anyone who managed to leave this religion behind would want to waste their time 'infiltrating' a KH meeting.

I don't like this religion. I still have family in, and can't get them out. But I have to continually remind myself of this fact: Everyone has a right to their own beliefs/religion. If someone so chooses to be a JW, then so be it. I can't change that religion anymore than I can change the Catholic church, nor do I care to even try. If logic and reasoning does not convince someone that maybe their belief system is faulty, then I leave them be.

Waste your time playing cloak and dagger if you want, I'll be home watching NFL football. A much better use of my time.

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When You Were A JW Did You Ever Stand For The National Anthem?

by minimus in

jw
friends

as a witness i always found a way to not have to embarrass myself by sitting down for the national anthem.. i’m curious.

how many of you stood up for the patriotic song?.

undercover

Growing up, we did not stand for the Pledge of Allegiance or the National Anthem.

As a 2nd grader, when they still did the PoA every morning, I was the only kid in class to not stand (was the only JW kid in that school actually). Until one day we had a substitute teacher. When I didn't stand, she grabbed me and tried to force me to stand. She held my by my elbow, forcing me out of my desk. I let my legs go limp and I hung there like a wet noodle. I never told my parents, but today I see lawsuits over similar instances.

When I was older, I planned my route to my seat at ball games and other events to miss the NA, so I wouldn't be obvious in my refusing to stand.

Now that I'm free of that indoctrination, I still do not Pledge Allegiance, avoiding the Nationalistic indoctrination. I do stand at both the PoA and NA, respectfully, quietly, removing any cap/hat I may have, but I do not sing or pledge. I am not blindly patriotic to any nation or government. I learned my lesson being blindly loyal to a religious organization. Won't make that mistake again.

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How Many Witnesses Would Really Take Blood?

by minimus in

jw
friends

up until the very end, my mother refused blood.

it didn't matter if it was a blurred line or not, the bible says "no blood"!

i wonder if she was in the minority, in her thinking.

undercover

All of them. They are all prepared to take it in whatever form the GB say is OK.

I dunno... my mother, when filling out a blood card (this was a few years ago, when we actually spoke of JW matters still), refused to check the boxes that allowed for certain fractions. I reminded her that it was okay to accept these fractions according to the WTS, and she should check the boxes, but she said something to the effect of, 'it's best not to test the boundaries, but to be cautious when giving doctors permission in regards to blood'.

So even when they allowed fractions, she wouldn't bend on the previous application of 'no blood, no how, no way'

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Do They Still do Door-to-Door as Much as Before?

by cofty in

since the advent of the trolleys do the majority of jws still go door to door like we used to?.

do they still have meetings for field service on sat mornings and sun afternoons where most head off to the local territory while one or two go to do trolley work or has the importance of door to door work reduced?.

with the reduction of printing wts and awakes what will they offer at the doors?.

undercover

They came by my house a couple of weeks ago. Regular door to door work. They had stopped by about 6 months ago as well... found a tract folded up, jammed in the screen door.

I haven't see too many carts around town where I live. It seems they wait until there's a large event and set up where throngs of people are sure to walk by (ignoring them).

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At the annual meeting right now . . .

by neat blue dog in

i'm at the recorded meeting right now.

trying to hide my disgust sitting up front listening to geoffrey jackson quibble about the pharisaical minutai of sanctification vs. vindication.

the audience is thrilled that they now have 'permission' to say god's name can be vindicated.

undercover

The audience is thrilled that they now have 'permission' to say God's name can be vindicated.

What? What is preaching Armageddon is coming, if not to prove vindication of God's name and authority?

EDIT: I just read that 95 WT quote. What a load of crap. Vindication, sanctification, let's call the whole thing off

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JW-Wayback.org - Massive Watchtower Archives Free To Download

by pale.emperor in

http://jw-wayback.org/en/static1/library.

the owner has done an excellent job of scanning, downloading and making available pretty much everything watchtower ever did.. one to bookmark i think!.

undercover

Thanks!

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Interesting conversation with JW friend

by Jules Saturn in

i was withh a friend of mine who is a jw still and for whatever reason we started talking the bible.

i asked him about lazarus and how is that when he died he paid the price of sin, but then jesus resurrected him.

and i asked him "where is lazarus today?

undercover

"At least we ain't Lazarus, and had to think twice 'bout dying"