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Couple of real gems in the WT study for this upcoming weekend

by sir82 in

since blondie seems to still be on sabbatical, i'll take the liberty of highlighting a couple of "gems" from this week's upcoming study, from the article "reject worldly thinking".. from paragraph 12:.

is it true that succeeding in a secular career that offers power and prestige leads to lasting happiness?

remember that the craving to control others and the longing to be admired are the desires that enticed satan, but he is angry, not happy.. .

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Is it true that succeeding in a secular career that offers power and prestige leads to lasting happiness? No. Remember that the craving to control others and the longing to be admired are the desires that enticed Satan,

non sequitur. How does having a successful secular career that offers perks correlate to craving those perks.

The 'no' answer is a blanket statement, and implies that secular success will lead to misery no matter what. The implication is to avoid secular success, and stick to washing windows and striping cars.

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Tony "Tightpants" Morris Talks Of Tight Pants AGAIN!!

by pale.emperor in

again with the pants... tony, if you can't stop looking at young men in tight pants don't take it out on the rest of us.

https://www.facebook.com/john.cedars.5/posts/868329653345317.

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That WT graphic of two elders talking to the young guy in a hipsteresque suit (stylish for his age and size, not so much for us old guys), what publication/magazine was that from? It looks legit like a WT graphic, but at the same time, it's hard to comprehend that they went to such trouble to harp on such an innocuous situation.. I mean, he's wearing a goddamn suit for Christ's sake!

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JW story - "husbands JW beliefs ruining the family" - on Dr. Phil today

by ShirleyW in

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"my husbands religious beliefs are ruining our family" is the topic.

i"m not home when it airs on cbs in the afternoon so i watch a rerun on ch 55 here in nyc at 8pm.

i have my cable box all set to switch over at the appropriate time..

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The only good from this story is that the jw's are in the news once again in a negative light.

This program will highlight the problems which occur when one parent leaves the JWS,

I hardly think Dr. Phil is going to be the catalyst to highlight real issues inside the JWs/WT world.

He's just another daytime TV quack, capitalizing on broken people and families to get ratings and make a buck.

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What Do You Do if the Household Does Not Celebrate?

by BluesBrother in

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it is christmas morning ....the weather outside looks cold grey and dismal (typical britain in winter ) the house is quiet as my wife gets on with something.

.... the street is silent, as dead as the grave.

the tv is full of the purile nonsense that fills airtime this time of year .

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It's weird how the actual Xmas day leaves me feeling somewhat out of touch with everything and everyone around me. It's like I'm in a void. The couple of weeks leading up to Xmas aren't bad, I actually go to parties in the neighborhood, 'worldly' friends, the office. I partake in the spirit of it all, join in as best I can. But the actual day... It's as you described it BB. I don't fit in (nor want to) with the JW family attitude of shunning the holiday, nor am I part of the masses celebrating. I'm in a twilight zone state.

But, at the same time, I realize that not everyone lives 'A Christmas Story' life, no matter how many times they show the movie on TV. I acknowledge that there are lots of people who don't really 'celebrate' Xmas as you see on TV, in the ads, or the movies, yet for some weird reason, I actually pine for a time that has never existed for me.

My Xmas tradition now is that I usually go to the movies on Xmas day. A couple of hours of Star Wars or James Bond escapism until tomorrow when I go back to the office...

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Do you (or did you) have much of a social life as a Jehovahs Witness.

by UnshackleTheChains in

i ask this question out of interest, because as a jehovahs witness for some 26 years, i have always felt that there is an 'all work, no play' culture within the organisation.

the organisation doesn't promote social gatherings.

i could count on one hand each year how many get togethers we have had.

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Yes and no. As a kid not so much... our family wasn't in the right clique, or any clique. Lived somewhat isolated as a kid and young teenager. Late teens though, I had some friends, we had our own clique. Didn't last too long. People moved, people got married, people got DFd.

As a young adult, married, had a few other couples we hung out with. Over time that faded, as kids came along, jobs and service to the bOrg wore us down and tired us out.

I remember as a kid that there were more congregation picnics and events than there were later on, before I left. This in part because the WTS clamped down on the fun factor. If you've got time to bake a pie for a picnic, you got time to knock on doors...

By the time I left, I really didn't have any friends. Just acquaintances. The only bond we had was the KH, and once that was broken, nothing was left to hold us together.

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My Cognitive Dissonance is Eating Me Alive (Intro Post)

by pometerre21 in

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i've been lurking here for a couple of weeks now.

i'm starting to "awaken" and it is all that has been occupying my mind.

i've always, always had doubts, some of which i expressed to family members who always had the same replies:.

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I just read the Mind Control section on JWFacts and my head is still spinning. I’m one of those people that expects things right away, but all of your responses tell me that it’s okay to not be able to process it right away.
I still even feel guilty posting here!

It will take time to process. It will even be a three steps forward, two steps backwards progress. You'll think you've got a handle on it, then you doubt yourself. You actually doubt your doubting. That's the indoctrination still holding on.

It gets better over time. In time, you will resolve all the issues that concern you the most, and all the little deals that aren't worth a lot of worry will slide off, and you'll move forward even more.

It took me weeks to work up the nerve to post here - a long time ago. And even then I wasn't sure what the heck I was doing. Was I making a mistake, or was I really finding out I was in a cult?

Welcome, and keep researching all your doubts and questions.

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Do you talk differently now to non-Witnesses?

by compound complex in

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you, a jw:.

"how're you doing, mary?

" joe witness asks the grocery clerk.. "not so good, joe.

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Anytime a JW uses a normal conversation to promote their version of 'god's kingdom', they're not sincere. It's a ploy to sell something.

I love this quote from the movie, 'The Big Kahuna' (I recommend the movie, despite it starring Kevin Spacey)

It doesn't matter whether you're selling Jesus or Buddha or civil rights or 'How to Make Money in Real Estate With No Money Down.' That doesn't make you a human being; it makes you a marketing rep. If you want to talk to somebody honestly, as a human being, ask him about his kids. Find out what his dreams are - just to find out, for no other reason. Because as soon as you lay your hands on a conversation to steer it, it's not a conversation anymore; it's a pitch. And you're not a human being; you're a marketing rep.

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NFL player quits career to become an idiot

by Captain Schmideo2 in

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http://www.jwleather.com/news/jason-worilds-quits-nfl-to-knock-on-doors-as-a-jehovahs-witness.

jason worilds quits nfl to knock on doors as a jehovahs witness.. 3/19/2015.

120 comments.

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It doesn't matter your celebrity, your skill, your talent, your money... Anyone can be susceptible to being recruited into a religious scam.

This guy was a NFL player. NBA players have become JWs. Golfers have become (or are) JWs. Popular musicians are/have been JWs. Doctors, lawyers, window washers... all are susceptible.

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Convention “Highlights” - bwhahaha!

by Muddy Waters in

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taking a walk down memory lane at those looooonnnnngg, tedious conventions... .

(boy, they weren’t kidding when they spoke about being long-suffering and having endurance!).

but what were some of your convention highlights, or lowlights, from back in the day?.

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"Dinner" always served in the massive tents they set up and cost 65 cents. Some cheap-ass cola as part of the meal. "Tables constructed of pieces of plywood. You stood when you ate. Pioneers ate free. The smell of the steam cleaning they used to clean the trays.

My very first convention memory was at an International assembly, where food was served in the large tents and you stood at makeshift plywood tables. Sawdust on the ground. The smell of bulk cooked food, plywood and sawdust all intermingled together under those huge tents. I was so young, I could not reach the table top, I had to hold my plate and try to negotiate holding it and eating with out spilling on my little boy suit. And then reach up to the table top to get my drink, without spilling it.

It's a memory seared into my mind, and now as we describe those memories, it doesn't sound like we're describing part of a Worldwide Brotherhood meal experience, it sounds more like a refugee camp.

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Convention “Highlights” - bwhahaha!

by Muddy Waters in

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taking a walk down memory lane at those looooonnnnngg, tedious conventions... .

(boy, they weren’t kidding when they spoke about being long-suffering and having endurance!).

but what were some of your convention highlights, or lowlights, from back in the day?.

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-- Let's send some poor schlub (me!) walking around the seats, carrying a Styrofoam cooler with 40 or 50 burgers, offering them to whoever had enough "food tickets" to buy one

Oh man, you just brought back memories for me... when I was a teenager, I was in 'expediting'. We took all the cooked food from the kitchens to the concession stands. I remember the styrofoam coolers filled with burgers, sandwiches, etc. The smell...the smell... the horror... the horror. I bet Colonel Kurtz worked in JW convention foodservice before he went nuts in the jungle.