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  607 date of Jerusalems destruction

  by benny in

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  i am confused about the time scale regarding the year of the destruction of jerusalem.

  in the 1st october 2011 watchtower an argument is presented to back up 607 bc but there are so many conflicting arguments that this happened 20 years later according to secular sources.

  your thoughts please..

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  I just stopped in to say 'hi' to scholar... Hi! scholar. Long time, no see

  I no longer care about 607 vs 587, but y'all carry on...
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  Fifty years ago today: One quote to demolish the Watchtower

  by JeffT in

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  i did not have any connection to jw's when they published this, about two weeks before i graduated from high school.

  i'm now on medicare and collecting social security.

  so much for their ability to see into the future.

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  Quotes like this one among others, WT covers like the 84 May (Generation That Will Not Pass Away) are my one and only 'argument' anymore with any JW family, friend, or foe, who seek to 'encourage' me to return.

  "I was told I would not grow old. I have grown old. The generation that would not pass away has passed away. Ever prediction made over 130 years has failed. I was raised to believe this shit, and I did until I couldn't ignore facts any longer. And in light of this documented evidence, you're a fool for thinking that this organization has a special line to God, and can predict the future."
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  How Should Houses of Worship Protect Themselves Against Shooters?

  by minimus in

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  is there a way?

  these madmen go into soft areas knowing they only will have firepower to inflict their damage.

  i think people better start thinking ahead about what they can do to protect themselves..

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  Thoughts and prayers?
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  Tony Morris video footage of him buying a dozen bottles of scotch

  by UnshackleTheChains in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i was howling watching cedars latest video of tm111 buying a dozen bottles of scotch ((maccallans scotch).

  you can't write this stuff.

  right, i'm now off to buy a bottle of maccallans 😂..

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  Well, well, well. Mr Governing Body member bought a cart full of booze, when he should have been at the meeting. Now, to be perfectly frank, or Tony in this case, there's nothing wrong with this, from a casual bystander viewpoint. Drinking is not forbidden for dubs. Buying liquor is not forbidden. So part of me is wondering, why all the sensationalism? It's just an old guy in a liquor store buying a cache of whiskey. If you lived in my town, you'd catch me doing the same.

  However, Mr. Morris is a GB member. A man that goes on JW TV and preaches about giving everything you have to their organization. They run videos of CGI children giving their ice cream money to the Society, because that's more important than an ice cream cone on a hot day. Morris rails against the world and it's pervasive influence and low morals. WT leaders in their talks and publications strive to control the behavior of JWs through peer pressure. You wouldn't, shouldn't do anything that could stumble your brother. Methinks Brother Morris doesn't practice what he preaches. In short, he's a hypocrite. Is this a huge issue for the organization or its leaders? No. It's barely a blip on the radar. But it is evidence enough for those who pay attention that these spiritual men aren't any different than anyone else, and shouldn't be held in the esteem that they are.

  on a side note, the 'captcha' thing that asks you to click on cars or signs, etc... this time was 'click on the store fronts'. And there was a liquor store LOL
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  How Long Will YOU Identify As A Jehovah’s Witness?

  by minimus in

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  some witnesses realize that they got into a religion and it turned out to be disastrous.

  many decide they have to somehow get out.

  some do it right away and others take longer.. where are you in your journey?

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  Hey, wassup, little red dot? (now an M&M, I see)

  I haven't identified as a JW for over 15 years now. I still have connections via family, I may attend the Memorial (or may not, depends...) but I am no longer one of Jehovah's Witnesses. Never DAd, never was DFd, just slowly, quietly faded away.

  But I understand those who can't just walk away. They may come from generations of JWs, their spouses, their parents, their siblings, their children are all still 'in'. It's tough to take a stand in certain situations.

  I don't think we can judge anyone who chooses to stay inside as a PIMO. And some are acting as double agents, staying in, gathering intel, spreading it to the vast apostate army. We each have to do what's right for us individually.

  Having said that, I can see where some may be more enslaved to the fear of the situation than to the situation itself. But, again, not my place to judge.
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  Have you seen these drawings against medical procedures?

  by ILoveTTATT2 in

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  these come from the golden age of june 8, 1932:.

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  Some jw families I grew up with in the 60’s and 70’s still felt vaccines were wrong and didn’t allow their kids to get vaccinated but I’m not sure what watchtowers official stance was In those years.

  I grew up in the 60s/70s, and I remember my uberzealous mother wanted to not vaccinate us kids. My father was more practical (and not so zealous as our mother), and overruled her.

  
  
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  Blade Runner mentioned in the Watchtower

  by ThomasCovenant in

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  can anyone remember or point me to a quote in either the watchtower or awake where they spoke adversely about some of the violent scenes in the original blade runner film.

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  After all, E.T. is make-believe. Christ is reality.

  BwaaHaHaHaHa... Hoo boy, those Watchtower writers can really tickle the funny bones at times.

  I remember the backlash against E.T. - after the article came out, and it was reiterated in convention talks. Up till then no one gave it a second thought, just a heartwarming story about a boy and his alien. But, noooo, the WTS had to rob that warm glow from us. Make us feel guilty about watching a harmless movie. Spielberg, you tool of Satan.

  I also remember a Bethel elder giving a talk at a convention the summer the 2nd Indiana Jones movie came out, and blasted it, for it's goriness, and links to spiritistic activity.

  And of course, The Exorcist had everyone all keyed up. I can't remember all the different JW urgan legends I heard about dubs who attempted to watch the movie, and had some misfortune befall them. Directly related to the demons who were only able to get to us through William Peter Blatty.
  

  Really, any movie, band, celebrity, or fad that hit big, had the WTS finding fault with it somehow. From, 'it's time consuming' to 'it's demon inspired', it didn't matter, they were going to do their best to keep you from spending your time and money on it, and instead, devote it to them.
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  New kingdom hall Washington State

  by Are you serious in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  yesterday i drove passed a town a couple of hours from my home and saw this kh under construction.

  this is the first new design kh i've seen in washington state even though i would think by now another one or two have been built.

  maybe not with their financial situation being the way it is.

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  Terrible design for a religious center. Decent enough (not attractive, but practical) design for resale later, when the land becomes more valuable and retail centers are popping up right and left.
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  Watch: Jehovah's Witnesses official says to destroy records because

  by Tahoe in

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  2. scandals

  'satan's coming after us'.

  screenshot from video.

  shawn bartlett, the records management overseer for the jehovah’s witnesses, explains the organization’s new record-keeping policies during a 2017 seminar in britain.

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  one day the elders put an immediate stop to it. Lists like this, or even my friend's floppy disk with a list of names were too dangerous.

  I remember similar reactions to early computer lists kept by tech savvy servants. But what's the difference between an Excel spreadsheet of JW names vs the typewritten list kept in the Super Size Book Bag Brother Pompous carried? Not much. The fear of computers was another means to induce fear of the 'world' into followers.

  But this expose by the newspaper is different. This is the same paper that has been exposing JWs for their mishandling of child abuse cases. Their series of articles is damning, as well as evidence from other states, and countries. Now you have evidence of a WT official giving orders to destroy records during this same time period of facing more intense scrutiny of their child abuse cover ups. Attorneys are going to eat them alive in upcoming trials.
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  Upcoming Tidal Wave of Media Onslaught targeting Jehovah's Witnesses ahead...

  by TerryWalstrom in

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  2. scandals

  at least three media venues have undertaken the daunting task of unpacking the insidious dark side of jehovah's witnesses' organization.1.

  douglas quenqua is a writer based in new york.

  his work has appeared in the new york times, wired, redbook, and cnbc.

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  Might even go so far as to have a special announcement made from the platform during the midweek meeting, as was done in 2002 or whenever it was that the "Dateline" special on child abuse aired.

  I kinda remember that. I was attending the occasional meeting still, even after starting to have serious doubts, and that announcement was another 'aha!' moment. An investigative report on issues in the religion, but instead of facing them head on, the leadership warned everyone to not listen to the 'outsiders'.