Posts by confusedandalone

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Anyone want to guess the name of our future king

by barry in

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my guess is henry.

confusedandalone

I am a foolish American so please excuse me but I must ask? Why is everyone so excited about this? Won't he be the 3rd in line to the throne. Even if he does become King from what I understand(I could be wrong) he has no real power. What is the obsession

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Another non-JW reacts to Sparlock video

by cedars in

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-ssv2nh0rc.

and two weeks ago i highlighted another video where sparlock helped an ex-mormon.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmesmlhydru.

though it still depresses me to think of all the young ones (including my own relatives) falling under the influence of this dangerous piece of propaganda, it's at least some small comfort that the sparlock video is backfiring so dramatically among thinking non-jws.. .

confusedandalone

That last one is by far the beeeeeeeeeeeeeeest one cedars! LOL

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WHERE THE HELL is the GREAT CROWD (and why does the Watchtower need them?

by Terry in

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confusedandalone

This is freaking ridiculous... again such a major JW belief exposed for the pile of crap that it is. It is annoying to me only because I believed this crap for so long and in 5 minutes I can read something that smashes all of that crap to hell.'

Great Job Terry

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The President addresses the Nation

by designs in

in a speech that is considered one of the most personal given by the president, or any past president, president obama speaks about treyvon martin being him 35 years agoand- violence, prejudice, the reach and limits of the states and the federal government, and the soul searching to follow.

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he, the president, invokes martin luther king's- 'the content of character' quote to spark a healthy debate in this country.. www.cnn.com.

confusedandalone

Ultimately and in closing, African Americans are doing much better than they were. Eventually I think that it will be a leveled playing field. The current generation is far more open and are WILLING to accept what has taken place in the past without being ashamed to admit the full extent of what was done... they also realize that certain things can't e held on to forever and be acrutch.

Personally I see it getting better, yet I still get upset when I go to a grocery store and I am still told before running my debit card that they do not accept EBT when the people in 3 people in line in front of me did not get this warning... although I have accomplished much most assume I am still poor and on welfare.

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The President addresses the Nation

by designs in

in a speech that is considered one of the most personal given by the president, or any past president, president obama speaks about treyvon martin being him 35 years agoand- violence, prejudice, the reach and limits of the states and the federal government, and the soul searching to follow.

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he, the president, invokes martin luther king's- 'the content of character' quote to spark a healthy debate in this country.. www.cnn.com.

confusedandalone

There were alot of "No Blacks Allowed" and "No Mexiacans" allowed as well.

Going back to the 1500 and 1600s asia was seen as a place far dif from Africa.

Africa was considered the Dark continent ... savages... uneduacated... asians did not have that same stereotype.

As years passed Asians were accepted far sooner than blacks. How many Asianswere being lynched in the 50's and 60's. Why were the numbers so much lower. How many Jews were lynched during the same time period in America. If is obvious that America had a far deeprer hatred for Black people in this country than any other race. When they did manage to acquire race whole towns were burned down. Influential individuals were killed with no repercussions. I am kind of surprised that many people are trying to deny this. That is part of the reason that people hold on to things for so long... because no one wants to admit this was the case.

How about we just agree that black people are predisposed to more violence and lack of upward mobility all of their own choice. Would that be a better solution. Maybe have them all shipped back to africa and all of a sudden America would be like the Jetson's with flying cars and robots cleaning our houses. This is totally amazing.

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The President addresses the Nation

by designs in

in a speech that is considered one of the most personal given by the president, or any past president, president obama speaks about treyvon martin being him 35 years agoand- violence, prejudice, the reach and limits of the states and the federal government, and the soul searching to follow.

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he, the president, invokes martin luther king's- 'the content of character' quote to spark a healthy debate in this country.. www.cnn.com.

confusedandalone

There are a number of reasons why they were able to excel... you seem to want to keep picking at black people... why?

My father who I talk to regularly recalls living in the house with his grandmother who was a slave.

Forced to walk to school and not have books in class while his white counterparts did. Not being able to use the bathroom in school because they didn't have one. Being told by teachers they could not achieve things.

WOrking at a company 30 years and recieving awards for his service yet not able to get a promotion in North Carolina because as he was told - you can't put a negro in a place to manage whites... in 1977...

Although your article seems to justify your point it really does not. There is a stigma attached to Blacks that was never attached to any other people. Why this is so hard to accept I do not understand, its documented. Many have lived through it and they still do. Fortunately I have been able to achieve because I had parents that beat into my head the need to do so. I was lucky and got a number of breaks. I was discriminated against. Lost a lot of things because people thought certain things about me based on race. I pushed threw it and got lucky. Everyone doesn't get luckty

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The President addresses the Nation

by designs in

in a speech that is considered one of the most personal given by the president, or any past president, president obama speaks about treyvon martin being him 35 years agoand- violence, prejudice, the reach and limits of the states and the federal government, and the soul searching to follow.

.

he, the president, invokes martin luther king's- 'the content of character' quote to spark a healthy debate in this country.. www.cnn.com.

confusedandalone

The irish were also treated horribly. No question about it. However there is a point at which they can mix with those in power through marriage or a name change. With that intermingling comes a new beginning for their loved ones. New opportunities that allow them to be a part of a society that would accept them as long as that past was repressed. If you are black or Native American you can't hide that as well.... you still have a stigma that you are a step higher than an ape. You still are immediately viewed as a slave.

For instance you can be irish and change your name to Paul Rockefeller(sp). You can mix in with the brits etc... if you are smart.

On the other hand, if you are black or Native North / South American and change your name to Paul Rockefeller(sp). You are still a person of color... the color used by the majority as slaves and who is viewed as a lower caste of human.

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The President addresses the Nation

by designs in

in a speech that is considered one of the most personal given by the president, or any past president, president obama speaks about treyvon martin being him 35 years agoand- violence, prejudice, the reach and limits of the states and the federal government, and the soul searching to follow.

.

he, the president, invokes martin luther king's- 'the content of character' quote to spark a healthy debate in this country.. www.cnn.com.

confusedandalone

Would you attribute that to hard work and attitude, random chance (e.g. possibly fortuitous location) or something else?

------ I would attribute that to all the above, yet to which degree each one of those things plays a factor varies according to each individual who is successful. I have seen many get lucky. I have seen some work hard to get there. I have also seen many who for most of their lives worked very hard but were knocked down because of their race and could never get ahead.

The difficulty many have getting their heads round things is why do African Americans seem to be so different? There are other groups have had serious persecution and also been victims of slavery but who have since prospered (e.g. Jews, Chinese, Irish as already mentioned).

------ This one for me is easy to understand. As I mentioned in my previous post, with African Americans they were told that they were apes. It was law that they were not complete humans. They were seperated from their families. Lost their language and were not allowed to read and write. When you have a system that for 300 years taught you and provided false "scientific proof" that you were merely one step up from an animal you will probably believe that. That feeling of infiriority can't be combatted because you can not read. You mother tells you the same thing because its what she is taught. There are no people of your skin color that are allowed to do these things. You have no history. Asians and Irish and Jews had a history that they carried with them. If they didn't have it then there was another IRISH guy who did. They all spoke the same language. Same with most Asians, they had a past. With Africans that was wiped away when they were seperated from their families. They lost languages and cultures and history and background. Without those things you are whatever others tell you that you are.

I read a comment somewhere that suggested the groups that had improved typically had no leaders that you could name whereas the black community has a lot of well know, infamous, leaders who don't seem to have done much to actually advance people's well-being.

--- Well I am no fan of Jesse or AL. More a fan of thier predecessors - but no need to elaborate on that. They tend to make huge deals out of things that are reminiscent of what was taking place in their error. Little are they aware that things have changed and so has the face of racism and inequality. In their era racism was out there and visible and it was accepted. Now it's not as accepted by the general population as MUCH. SO they think every crime committed against a minority is laced with prejudice because in thier era that was generally the case. Now the racism is in the board rooms more often then not, and in areas that the public light can not shine as easily.

Is it bad leadership? I have to say whenever I hear Sharpton or Crump talk I do not feel compelled to help or even hope that someone else helps.

------ Al and Crump are not the leaders of Black America. Black America no longer needs a leader like it once did. What it needs is for others to get rid of their stereotpes and let each individual AA prove who they are and not be lumped in with a group. The ones generally looking for a leader are the ones who are lost. Just like those in the White community who are looking for leaders are generally the weakest minded of that group. Blacks / AA's are now ready to do what is necessary to move ahead - they just do not need stereotypes of years past following them. Treat them as individuals.

Is the leadership irrelevant? I have a hard time believing that good or bad leadership of any group makes no difference.

---- see above

Is it the culture? Has crime and violence taken over and 'become' a way of life for a critical mass so that it's the norm?

--- Not specific to AA culture. The culture of America is one of violence / ignorance / and poverty. It is prominent in the lower class and urbanized areas because that is where the poor people are. That is the case anywhere. The problem is the pporest of America are the people of color due to things mentioned above. However strides to improve are there and many are getting on the bus.

Why do people live one life over another? Some obviously don't get much of a choice but I think many do and simply make poor choices.

Why?

--- This is one aspect where I have to say you are wrong (in my opinion), or maybe its a misunderstanding. There is still a very strong belief that AA's are worthless and they are not capable of achieving and not capable of anything positive by those with power. That ideology is passed on in the schools and in work environments as well so those ideas stick with many and never go away. When you are a kid of 6 to 10 and everyday all you see are poor people. All you get of your past is that you were a slave. People in authority tell you that you are less than others or that you can't achieve - you begin to believe that. Others hear these things and fight against it, but they are not able to achieve because others hold them back who have the ability to help them advance.

I once worked as a Software Engineer for one of the largest accounting firms in the US. I sat in this positiion for 6 years until I finally quit to start my own business because all those around me advanced and not me, when I knew I was smarter than those who were advancing. Well 3 years after leaving my ex-boss who was Irish contacted me on Facebook and wanted to meet up. He apologized and admitted that he didn't promote me because of the negative stereotypes of MY PEOPLE and that he thought if I was in that position I MAY NOT take it seriously... he apologized. I accepted it. Yet I also realized that this instance probably isn't very uncommon. I personally used that setback as a catalyust to improve however you can surely understand how others could be hindered by that, all the while thinking I will never get ahead because I am being held back. In some instances they are - in others they are not. So it is easy to see why some go the route they do while others keep pressing forward

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The President addresses the Nation

by designs in

in a speech that is considered one of the most personal given by the president, or any past president, president obama speaks about treyvon martin being him 35 years agoand- violence, prejudice, the reach and limits of the states and the federal government, and the soul searching to follow.

.

he, the president, invokes martin luther king's- 'the content of character' quote to spark a healthy debate in this country.. www.cnn.com.

confusedandalone

It isn't that simple... this "past" that we want to leave behind benefitted some and had a horrific effect on others. Not to mention that this "past" is not that long ago. The inequality didn't end when Lincoln signed some papers... it didn't end with the civil rights movement... the inequality is still pretty evident in the day to day lives of alot of people. If the people who hold jobs and opportunities for advancement discriminate against people of color (black / brown or red) and do not allow them to participate in an open society based upon their color then the inequality is still there.

Many white supremacist types not only bring up the past but they also bring up the present and act as if the state of certain races of people is all their own doing and that another group or the "system" has nothing to do with it. It can be found in lots of literature and youtube. I think what needs to happen is exactly what is being promoted... open and frank discussion about what got us here.

When you have people who for hundreds of years were told they were no different than apes and had lower intellectual abilities than other humans, when you take away their history, when you take away their gods, when you take away their families and when you take away their wealth, when you kill off millions of people who could have been all sorts of productive members of the planet you have to expect generations to pass before they recover. Truthfully the 1960's was the beginning of that taking place in this country.

Add to that the fact that many people who were around in that time period are still alive and hold to those feelings of thier own racial superiority and you have people in the state that they are in. Many people of color are doing better for themselves and are now passing things on to their children(knowledge / wealth /etc...) so things are improving. Just give it time

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If the "Governing Body" arrangement is so effective and sanctioned by Jehovah

by confusedandalone in

then why in the world was it only effective for what 10 years tops beforeit dissappears?.

there is never any direct mention of it anywhere - and even if implied how many decisions did it make?

if it was such a cornerstone and vital to the proper flow of god's earthly organization why doesn't it have a clear track record of existence as well as successful decisions.

confusedandalone

Then why in the world was it only effective for what 10 years tops beforeit dissappears?

THere is never any direct mention of it anywhere - and even if implied how many decisions did it make? If it was such a cornerstone and vital to the proper flow of GOD'S EARTHLY ORGANIZATION why doesn't it have a clear track record of existence as well as successful decisions