haven't posted here in a while, but i was thinking about something i remember from the early 80s.
do you remember when that old theatre was restored in ny, i think it was called the stanley?
well anyway i remember this huge chandelier, i think it was really expensive antique made of crystal or something, well i remember distinctly that this chandelier cost around 1 million to buy!
To Seeker;
Hi! It's ok. I know I don't have my facts straight, it has been a long time. I do remember people really wondering about it though.
If you were at Bethel, then I trust your answer as you were there.
I think my posts get a little to whiney at times. Are you JW?
Thanks!
Vita
haven't posted here in a while, but i was thinking about something i remember from the early 80s.
do you remember when that old theatre was restored in ny, i think it was called the stanley?
well anyway i remember this huge chandelier, i think it was really expensive antique made of crystal or something, well i remember distinctly that this chandelier cost around 1 million to buy!
Hello again,
To Seeker,
I remembered alot of controversy over that distinctly. I am not merely criticizing. I am not claiming to have my facts straight either, just wondering about it. You're reply was rather condescending I thought. Where do you get your info?? The theatre is beautiful, I did not realize anything about the city requiring certain things, but so be it.
Don't be so harsh.
Vita
haven't posted here in a while, but i was thinking about something i remember from the early 80s.
do you remember when that old theatre was restored in ny, i think it was called the stanley?
well anyway i remember this huge chandelier, i think it was really expensive antique made of crystal or something, well i remember distinctly that this chandelier cost around 1 million to buy!
Hi again,
Haven't posted here in a while, but I was thinking about something I remember from the early 80s. Do you remember when that old theatre was restored in NY, I think it was called the Stanley? Well anyway I remember this huge chandelier, I think it was really expensive antique made of crystal or something, well I remember distinctly that this chandelier cost around 1 million to buy! We even had a slideshow at our Sunday meeting to see the remodeling that had taken place in this theatre. The JWs always speak of other religions and their flashy displays, such as Catholic churches, etc. How do the JWs get around that 1 mil. chandelier?? And the inside of that theatre looks like a few million bucks......Why did'nt they us that money to help poor nations who use straw huts for kingdom halls or tin shacks on stilts for kingdom halls, how can they justify all that money??
Just wondering if anyone remembers this. I think it was around 83??
Looking forward to you're thoughts.
Remember, with vitameatavegamin, you can spoon your way to health!
my husband and i have a friend who credits the lord with every good thing that happens in his life.
he is really a nice guy, unmarried, no kids and is now in remission from non hodgkins lymphoma (again, credit to the lord).
what do you think about people who credit the lord for every good thing that happens to them?
Time and unforseen circumstance............befalls us all.
That's it.
before i get started on what i'm afraid will be a lengthy post, i just want to say a few things.
this may not be the appropriate forum for me to post what i need to say, but i hope that all of you will be understanding and supportive of how i feel.
i've been lurking here for quite some time and have even been brave enough to make a few posts, so i feel somewhat comfortable expressing this here.. perhaps i should discuss my background a bit before getting to the heart of the matter so you all can understand where i'm coming from.. i am a late 20-something former jw, never disassociated myself but completely stopped attending meetings about four or five years ago.
Hello FriendlyFella!(Brian),
Welcome. I have been on this forum since July and at first I was totally guilt ridden for even posting here! I have been afraid and in some ways still am. As JWs, everything we are taught is absolute. There is very little grey area as far as their teachings about God, armageddon, the great tribulation, etc. When we start to stray from our only known comfort zone, it can be terrifying. But, I personally feel that our God know us better than we think he does. Being a Christian is not just about meetings attended and hours of field service put in. As a Witness, our spirituality seems to be totally guaged upon what the eye can see. I recently have been reading my bible more and more and I came across a scripture that sums my feelings up on this pretty well. Matthew 6:1 " Be careful not to do you're acts of righteousness before men, to be seen by them. If you do, you will have no reward from you're father in heaven".
Does'nt that hit home?? I just realized this so recently. And also regarding acts of giving to those in need, the next verse, Matt.6:2, reads," So when you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by men. I tell you the truth, they have recieved their reward in full". " But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. Then your father , who sees what is done in secret will reward you".
I am sorry to be so lengthy, but have you noticed that anytime there is a disaster, there is always a portion of an article in the Watchtower or Awake showing what all the society did for disaster relief, what they donated etc. I am just trying to make the point that the JWs don't alway follow their own counsel. Why? I am not sure. I just know I see alot of inconsistencies in their teachings.
I hope i did not ramble on too much. I wish you well in your journey for truth. Look forward to more of your comments!
Thanks!
Vita
i'm new at this board.
being a newbie at this board and a resident in the usa...i want to express my sad feelings and support to all those people in new york.. thank you all.....
Welcome Basketwhy!
Interesting name! Of course so is mine! Hope you can find some encouragement here. Are you JW? Look forward to you're experiences.
Thanks!
Vita
hi rollercoaster, i am here and i am df'd.
very long story about that one.
in essence i told the elders about themsleves.
Hi,
I have never seen anything in the bible refering directly to gambling.
I don't consider buying a lottery ticket gambling myself. My idea of a gambler is someone who goes and blows the family money in casinos or the like.
And even if they do consider buying lotto tickets as gambling, then maybe none of us should invest in the stock market. I heard the society even holds stocks!
Come on, lets get real here!!
Thanks!
hi rollercoaster, i am here and i am df'd.
very long story about that one.
in essence i told the elders about themsleves.
Hi again!
interesting remarks on this subject. Where I live, I have seen JCs formed over ridiculous things. One brother I know was hauled in on a JC on the accusation of buying a lottery ticket! I did not think that was a committee matter!! It seems sometimes it can be more of a witch hunt than anything else at times. I understand the cong. needs to be kept clean, but it can just go too far.
Good luck to all!
hi rollercoaster, i am here and i am df'd.
very long story about that one.
in essence i told the elders about themsleves.
Hello friends;
Ah yes, the infamous Judicial Committee. Such wonderful memories............NOT! My husband actually had a JC formed after a man attacked him on his job, This guy knew he was a witness and called the Elders and gave them this big story, so, just based on this man's lies, they formed a committee. Could not believe it. Even had tons of eyewitnesses, plenty of proof. My husband was so insulted by this he told the Elders he absoulutely would not attend, as he had committed no sin. The Elders told him if he did not show up he would" reap the consequences". So, out of fear of DFing, he went and they did end up clearing him, but my husband has had no respect for elders since. The experience really soured him on JWs period. He was a witness for 30 years. Says he can't believe anyone could be that stupid and lost confidence in the whole arrangement. He has been inactive for for a few years now, says he will never get to involved with witnesses again.
And by the way Tierce, I can't believe you had a JC formed for low service hours!! I have never heard of such a thing!! I would be curious to know more.
Thanks!!
well they have finally done it.
they finally took our towers down.. the towers that i used to visit so much as a kid and adult.
my twin towers.. i was mobilized yesterday as part of the nypd as the city went into it's highest security alert.
Frank Hall,
I feel alot of anger in you're posts. I am an inactive JW and part of my complaint is self righteous people that are so sure they are the ONLY ones who know what is going on. We as humans should not be so sure of ourselves that we go to the point of condemning others viciously. Sure, there is right and wrong.But, We need to remember the scripture that says "Judge not, that you should not be judged".
There is a reason that God has reserved judging for himself. He is the only One that can read hearts and know what we are REALLY about. I am in no way saying that "anything goes", and that "once saved always saved". I don't believe that. But, God does expect certain things of us, and I think when it comes to deciding who is and who isn't in the end is up to God, not us.
Yes, I believe this world as it is will come to end, and there is something better for the future of mankind. But JWs at times don't give God the respect that they preach about so vehemently. If they truly believe that that Jehovah is the only judge, then why do so many JWs take it upon themeselves to decide who you are and how you are? How can they incinuate that I will not be on the other side?? How do they know they will be?? Because they attended more meetings than I did?? Because they put in more hours of service than I did? There are people in congregations worldwide right now seeming that they are doing all the "right" things. But underneath, there is not a whole lot there in their hearts. It has become, in my humble opinion anyway, that is has become about who does more rather than focusing on who is trying to be a Christian from their hearts. Since I have been inactive, I have been left out of gatherings for friends, and other activities. Yet, I know those in the cong. that never miss a meeting but are involved in very questionable activities. I am in good standing and I feel for my friends from my heart, not because they never miss a meeting.
Yes, JWs have alot of very good points. I do agree with alot of the teachings. But I can't get past all this pre judging that goes on. It seems like the wrong people can get penalized. The horrible tragedy in New York may or may not be a sign of things ending soon. Whether JW or not, these poor people are enduring incredible losses, things that you and I may never see. This tragedy crosses all racial and religious barriers. I HARDLY think that God himself is looking down in this and saying,"Gee, so and so was not part of the organization, Jehovahs Witnesses".
We need to give god a little more respect than that.
How shallow can we be??????
Just my thoughts. Thanks!
