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  Make Them Prove That You Were Baptized!

  by VM44 in

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  this might not work for everyone, but it might for some.. if a person faces disfellowshipping, the person should make the elders prove that they are baptized!.

  as far as i know, baptism records are not sent to bethel.. without two witnesses to the event (and the witnesses have to remember seeing the person immersed), and no photos, there would be no proof.. if someone did this, the elders would of course contact bethel for instructions, but what could they do?.

  it would put a stop to the elders proceeding with any action..

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  It might be "brazen," but if they could not prove you were baptized, what could they do?

  The elders couldn't even announce that the person was "No longer a Jehovah's Witness" as they couldn't prove the person ever was to begin with!
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  Does the Watchtower really parallel 1st Century Christianity?

  by Emery in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i wanted to get a list of arguments that illustrate how the watchtower society is or isn't following 1st century christianity today.

  thanks again everyone!.

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  Why did "Recovery" edit his post to remove some of the comparisons he made?
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  Make Them Prove That You Were Baptized!

  by VM44 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this might not work for everyone, but it might for some.. if a person faces disfellowshipping, the person should make the elders prove that they are baptized!.

  as far as i know, baptism records are not sent to bethel.. without two witnesses to the event (and the witnesses have to remember seeing the person immersed), and no photos, there would be no proof.. if someone did this, the elders would of course contact bethel for instructions, but what could they do?.

  it would put a stop to the elders proceeding with any action..

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  VM44

  This might not work for everyone, but it might for some.

  If a person faces disfellowshipping, the person should MAKE the elders PROVE that they are baptized!

  As far as I know, baptism records are NOT sent to Bethel.

  Without two witnesses to the event (and the witnesses HAVE to remember seeing the person immersed), and no photos, there would be no proof.

  If someone did this, the elders would of course contact Bethel for instructions, but what could they do?

  It would put a stop to the elders proceeding with any action.
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  Does the Watchtower really parallel 1st Century Christianity?

  by Emery in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i wanted to get a list of arguments that illustrate how the watchtower society is or isn't following 1st century christianity today.

  thanks again everyone!.

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  "First century Christians acknowledged the importance of the Divine Name as did Jezus = same with JWs"

  Is that true?

  The Divine Name does not appear in the Greek Scriptures.
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  Does the Watchtower really parallel 1st Century Christianity?

  by Emery in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i wanted to get a list of arguments that illustrate how the watchtower society is or isn't following 1st century christianity today.

  thanks again everyone!.

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  VM44

  No.

  But The Watchtower MAKES "1st Century Christianity" parallel what it has the Jehovah's Witnesses do today

  
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  Experience with Former Elder regarding contributions at Conventions

  by Momma-Tossed-Me in

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  i recently had the opportunity to visit with a former elder who has successfully faded without getting df'd, but he is completely aware of the sham.

  he was the main accounts guy for the conventions in his circuit.

  he related a very telling story to me the other day that i thought i would share with you.

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  Assemblies and Conventtions generate revenue for The Watchtower.

  http://www.watchtowernews.org/tacomapark.htm

  

  
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  Experience with Former Elder regarding contributions at Conventions

  by Momma-Tossed-Me in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i recently had the opportunity to visit with a former elder who has successfully faded without getting df'd, but he is completely aware of the sham.

  he was the main accounts guy for the conventions in his circuit.

  he related a very telling story to me the other day that i thought i would share with you.

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  Circuit Accounts Servants Confesses how the SCAM WORKS!!

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/62001/1/Circuit-Accounts-Servants-Confesses-how-the-SCAM-WORKS
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  Is there any evidence for the claim that CTR dismissed JFR from Bethel in early 1915?

  by JWB in

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  2. scandals

  evidence for dismissal of joseph rutherford from bethel in 1915?.

  i recently came across a claim, made somewhere on the internet, that charles russell had dismissed joseph rutherford from bethel in 1915:.

  "joseph franklin rutherford (1861-1942): came from a large calvinist family; formerly a small-town lawyer in missouri; at least once appointed to serve as judge in a case; politically active in democratic politics.

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  Leolaia, good find!

  It could be that Charles Russell simply did not want Rutherford around Bethel anymore.

  If CTR could have stayed alive for a few more years, then it is possible that Rutherford would have been out of the picture as far as taking over running the organization.

  There is also some controversy about Rutherford's name being added to the list of possible successors to Russell in the event of his death.

  I would not put it pass Rutherford to add his name to the list. My understanding is tha he would not allow anyone to examine Russell's last will and testament. One wonders why not.
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  2004 Blood Card & Directive!

  by Atlantis in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  vm44 requested a recent blood card and directive.

  i wrote to a jw who has a relative on the hlc.

  the jw got copies of what they are still using which is still dated 2004 at the bottom.

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  Atlantis, Thank you very much for this, and, if you can, send thanks also to your friend.

  Now, just one more request, may I inquire what are the physical dimensions of the form?

  Should it be printed on both sides of a regular sized 8.5 x 11 sheet of paper, and then folded?

  What sort of paper is it printed on? Heavy weight white paper, or card stock?
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  Is there any evidence for the claim that CTR dismissed JFR from Bethel in early 1915?

  by JWB in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  evidence for dismissal of joseph rutherford from bethel in 1915?.

  i recently came across a claim, made somewhere on the internet, that charles russell had dismissed joseph rutherford from bethel in 1915:.

  "joseph franklin rutherford (1861-1942): came from a large calvinist family; formerly a small-town lawyer in missouri; at least once appointed to serve as judge in a case; politically active in democratic politics.

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  This information from the Moyle libel case does not metion any dismissal of Rutherford by Russell, but it does mention that Rutherford asked for a $1,000 loan from the Society, and that he planned to open a law office in Los Angeles.

  So Rutherford had either left, or was planning to leave, Bethel in the year 1915.

  Olin R. Moyle Libel Case (1940-1943)
  http://archive.org/details/OlinR.MoyleTrial

  Page 1567, Examination of Isaac F. Hoskins

  Q. Where you present at any meeting when
  there was a discussion about a thousand dollar
  load to Mr. Rutherford?

  A. In the summer of 1915 Mr. Rutherford had
  withdrawn from the active work and wrote a letter to Pastor
  Russell asking if the Society would loan him a thousand
  dollars, that he was about to set up a law office in
  Los Angeles. Pastor Russell recommended to the Board that it
  be loaned him, and so the motion was passed in his favor.