HS I appreciate your posts, agree with many of those of yours I have read.
In this instance I think almost everyone is right even though opinions are in conflict.
If someone here has been hurt by the elders then only that person can forgive the elder, we cannot forgive the elders for wrongs that they have done to someone else, its up to those on the receiving end to decide whether they want to respond positively or negatively to the abuse dished out by naive elders who think they are being godly. Imagine someone unjustly acts towards Martin and I step in and say I forgive you for the unjust treatment you just dished out on Martin, now lets put it all behind us and move on happilywho do I think I am to go around forgiving on Martins behalf? God!
For me personally, I forgave the elders and the GB for the trauma their practice and doctrine inflicted upon my family and I mentally, spiritually and emotionally. But I cannot forgive them for wrong they have done to others, I dont have the right to and neither does anyone else have the right to suggest that WT victims should not vent at the elders who handled their case. People go on the attack when they are mistreated; instead of defending the elders it could be more constructive to give everyone the space to get it off their chest. To say that The elders are only human and we need to understand them is only agreeable if we can also see those venting as being only human too. They are the ones that have had a raw deal and need understanding, sometimes we cannot justify the elders no matter how sincere or deluded they are. We need to recognise that even sincere elders leave behind a trail of victims.
In my opinion the most attacking post was ironically the first post by martin, he accused them of being sh**t scared and practically dummies who are going around hurting people ignorantly, well let any one of us go and ask an elder if that isnt a blatant attack on them! Ask them to read Martins post and to comment on whether they think it was a good defence for their ignorance. They are so self-righteous they wouldnt even read it anyway, but assuming they did they would see his as being just as offensive as anyone elses. He sounds like a nice enough guy, and I do appreciate his comments, but its hard for an observer to understand how someone can constantly punch a person on the nose and yet for that person to stand there and be nice to themits an unrealistic view to have of anyone.
Unwittingly, by defending the elders against the attacks Martin attacked them and then gave people the platform to begin to attack by infuriating them:
Now I know this post is going to infuriate some of you who have been on the receiving end of unjust elders, however before you reply think of the vein in which this post is threaded.
Martin
Im not infuriated at all but the vein the thread was posted was should we attack all the elders just because some of them are unjust. I believe all elders are unjust, how can we expect a crooked organisation to produce just elders a bad tree does not produce good fruit. They are a product of evil regardless of how nice the disguise turns out to be. Anyone who is just in there will eventually leave, But they wont leave until they see themselves for what they are and accept personal responsibility for supporting an organisation that is a wolf in sheeps clothing.
Name me even one elder that was just and then define Just and see if he fits the description. Justice is built on truth, elders are built on the errors of the Org.
Lots of Organisations have a hierarchy that practices like the Watchtower, and each one of them is wrong, and should be prepared to be told.
Shared respectfully, Brummie
