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  JW's BANNED IN RUSSIA - 04-01-04

  by 4JWY in

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  jehovah's witnesses banned from moscow by russian court.

  is the heading of the article in the religious section of our newspaper yesterday.

  moscow (ap) a moscow court has banned the religious activities of jehovah's witnesses from the russian capital in a move that critics called a step back for democracy and religious freedom.

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  This is a great thread - many pros & cons on the freedom of religion, banning, licensing, and perhaps taxation of religious organizations.

  Agreeing with AlanF & HS on the issue of licensing religious organizations - why not? Along with that, taxation like any other organization. Bound by laws - which would include the freedom to take that organization to court if the organization worked outside the law.

  If the religious organization were found outside the boundary of law, then their license to operate could be suspended until they complied.....and monitary penalities enforced.

  Taxation would put those (imho) money-making organizations on an even keel with other organizations, and help the economy too.

  Perhaps if these religious organizations were under the same liability of businesses which orientate the mind control of their employees in regard to every aspect of the employee's life (perhaps there are few other orgs that do that?) - then perhaps these religious organizations would be more *employee friendly* - and not so destructive.

  It's not so long ago that the thought of women suing for being fondled on the job, raped, etc., was laughable. Not any more. Men also have sought the same protection.

  The alternative is that some of these religious organizations hurt people so badly....that some of the survivors are strong enough to sue - causing the religious organizations into bankruptcy....or just more deeply hiding their assets. Speaking of the Hare Krishna group (children physically/sexually molested) and the Canadian Anglican Church specifically.

  Sorry if my post isn't coherent -posting while supposed to be working. ugh.

  Great thread by all posters! Thanks!

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  ps: No, I can't envision killing my sister....but I can envision still be a jw - and NEVER speaking to her again because she chose to leave (JW Agape love). I would have been compelled to....because I had a "trained conscience." And I can envision my sister doing the same to me under reverse situation.

  I wouldn't want to do it.....but most likely, I would have. Have to "keep spiritually strong."
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  Woman performs own Caesarean to save baby

  by wednesday in

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  2. medical

  this came in on a list i am on.

  i found it so incredible, i wanted to share with u guys.

  woman performs own caesarean to save baby.

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  "She took three small glasses of hard liquor and, using a kitchen knife,
  sliced her abdomen in three attempts..

  Well, MY "three small glasses" wouldn't be shots, I can safely say that. Of course, when drinking water...small is 8 ounces?

  Heroic measures by this mother. Liquor or not.

  Kudos to her.

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  I'M BACK!

  by Carmel in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  that's right.. spent the weekend away from this infernal machine, bobbing around in a skiff attempting to intice a king salmon into sharing the ride.

  alas to no avail!

  carmel who had to eat barbeque beef as a consulation

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  You were gone?

  Did your wife notice?

  My daughter had some salmon shipped in from *out yonder* for her husband's birthday (he's a gourmet cook in his world) - it was incredibly good.

  Heard rumors your salmon is too...when you catch it.

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  Back from the Memorial......Special Announcement at the end....

  by ScoobySnax in

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  2. friends

  the special announcement read at the end was an invite for any interested ones (tm) to ask if they wanted a bible study.....and that a special meeting will be held next sunday in all the congregations worldwide, and an invite was given for all to attend.

  i loved going and was good to see all the brothers and sisters again, the po who gave the talk made a bee line for me straight after the closing prayer, straight off the platform (i had to stand as there were no seats) and asked to speak to me, and directed me to the back of the hall, i thought here we go......jc convening shortly......but no he said the wt society in london had contacted him as i'd wrote them asking for the magazines, and he would be happy to drop by and had done, but never found me at home.

  so we arranged a date for him to call next week.. the hall was packed, and from my standing point i had plenty of opportunity to have a scan about, despite being horrified that their were brothers there who were betting looking than even me ( in my newly bought outfit!

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  Have only read the first page (at work now) -

  My husband & I didn't go..........once again. Amazingly enought, the local jw's rented an American Legion Hall to have their memorial. And renting costs money - which they're giving to that organization which celebrates the Armed Forces of America.

  But I can't go have dinner there - because I'd be giving them money.

  Must add.......my mil is 85 & a devout jw. We just lie & say we're going to a memorial in another city.....then go shopping. It works for us - and she knows, somewhere in her denial.

  I miss some of the friends too - the local sisters used to LOVE to dress up special for the memorial - Easter Sunday Best!

  As for the talk - if one thinks back to the scriptural version - Jesus instituted NOT just the "passing of emblems" - but PARTAKING of bread & wine........ ALL his followers were to PARTAKE in rememberance of his sacrifice. JW's don't partake.........they refuse to partake.....thus refusing to obey Jesus.

  As for the Special Meeting to invite all interested the following Sunday after the memorial? Always has been a Special Meeting the Sunday after the Memorial. Strike while the iron's hot.

  Glad you had a good time visiting, Scooby. Always good to see old acquaintances.

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  JW's BANNED IN RUSSIA - 04-01-04

  by 4JWY in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  jehovah's witnesses banned from moscow by russian court.

  is the heading of the article in the religious section of our newspaper yesterday.

  moscow (ap) a moscow court has banned the religious activities of jehovah's witnesses from the russian capital in a move that critics called a step back for democracy and religious freedom.

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  Will this ban in Russia, incite people here, who were undecided in joining the JW's, make them attend meetings, thinking that the end is close.

  lol - probably.

  Will this ban in Russia bring up that prophecy of "King of the North" etc? Probably somehow --------someway.
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  JW's BANNED IN RUSSIA - 04-01-04

  by 4JWY in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  jehovah's witnesses banned from moscow by russian court.

  is the heading of the article in the religious section of our newspaper yesterday.

  moscow (ap) a moscow court has banned the religious activities of jehovah's witnesses from the russian capital in a move that critics called a step back for democracy and religious freedom.

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  Haven't read the posts above of Alan's & Patio's............but all before it.

  I remember a statement by Farkel (paraphrasing) - IF the jw's would stop shunning, stop breaking up families, allow followers to leave with no repercussions, and stop the refusal of blood products......then I would stop fighting them. They'd be just another religion.

  Agreed. When a cult/religion/business has as part of it's charter to hurt other persons - and teaches all of it's followers to do the same........then I think the government should regulate that cult/religion/business.

  And to the starter of this thread, 4JWY? THANKS! Much thinking going on!

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  MAJOR AP ARTICLE ON JWs CHILD ABUSE ISSUE GOES NATIONWIDE IN USA

  by hawkaw in

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  ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- religion today

  but a group called silentlambs has still gained visibility in its campaign to change the sexual abuse policies of jehovah's witnesses.. .

  religion today.

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  Again asking......is the following a DIRECT QUOTE of Philip Brumley, representing the WTBTS?

  Philip Brumley, Watchtower's general counsel, says his religion cannot alter its beliefs and doubts secular courts will demand this.

  "Do you change doctrine because someone feels something is more convenient, even if it's not in harmony with Scripture?" he asks.

  IF SO, it could bite them in the ass big time. As JT so brilliantly brought out:

  He lied.

  SLEEPING WITH THE FAMILY DOG

  Oh, so NOW it's ok to sleep with the family dog? When wasn't it ok? Must have missed that "tacking" change. Damned spiritual light is more like a moving strobe lite.

  Hi JT - pass on a friendly *howdy* to your lovely wife! Which includes you too..........

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  Has anyone read Diane Wilson's book, "Awakening of a Jehovah's Witness"?

  by carefully faded in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  today, i just received diane wilson's book, "awakening of a jehovah's witness".

  i cracked it open tonight and in reading the first page, found something that makes me question her authenticity.

  she states, "in my 22 years as one of jehovah's witnesses, i had attained the position of "traveling overseer" both in the united states and brazil.

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  As with any personal account.........it's her viewpoint. I read most of it - then passed it on to some non-jw's who were dealing with jw's & xjw's in another kind of business. The non-jw's were just amazed. Her short dictionary of jw terms was incredibly helpful for the non-jw readers.

  Ms. Wilson never presented herself as creating a definitive history & accounting of the WTBTS, her book is more of a memoir of her life as a jw. As a woman reader - I appreciated her recounting as a Jehovah's Witness sister (a little more than nothing.)

  I could never do what she has done - so kudos to Ms. Wilson for surviving so brilliantly & speaking out.

  Would recommend Diane Wilson's book, along with an ever-growing list of fine books exposing the WTBTS Book Corporation for what it is.....a book publishing corp. leading a cult.

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  If you don't hear from me, it's because I'm a wet spot on the ground...

  by Elsewhere in

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  2. friends

  i?m taking the leap, literally!

  on saturday i?m going sky diving for the very first time!

  i?m going with a group of about 30 people (we will be getting a group discount) and will be doing a tandem jump.

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  you damned fool. Remember, bones tend to heal. Wet spots evaporate.

  It's like the men I used to eat breakfast with. After riding in an Enduro (motorbikes) on the weekend, they'd come in on Monday, with bruises, breaks, moans & grins. Spend thousands in a season fixing up their bikes to wreck them again next week. lol - most were mechanics & painters, etc....so it was at least cheaper to fix up after wrecking them.

  "Why do you DO that?" - me

  "It's so much fun!" -them

  Have fun and hang on to your instructor!
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  JW's BANNED IN RUSSIA - 04-01-04

  by 4JWY in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  jehovah's witnesses banned from moscow by russian court.

  is the heading of the article in the religious section of our newspaper yesterday.

  moscow (ap) a moscow court has banned the religious activities of jehovah's witnesses from the russian capital in a move that critics called a step back for democracy and religious freedom.

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  Prosecutors claimed Jehovah's Witnesses destroys families and fosters hatred. Moscow's Golovinsky district court on Friday granted their request that it be outlawed in the capital under a provision that allows courts to ban religious groups considered to incite hatred or intolerant behavior.

  Defense lawyer Galina Krylova argued that the decision has no legal foundation as the prosecutor simply cited the denomination's religious literature. The activities of Jehovah's Witnesses weren't the subject of the court trial...the subject was the religious beliefs of Jehovah's Witnesses...doctrinal arguments," Krylova said.

  • "prosecutor simply cited the denomination's religious literature."
  • "subject was the religious beliefs of Jehovah's Witnesses."
  • "ban religious groups considered to incite hatred or intolerant behavior."

  At last! A Court which actually READS & UNDERSTANDS what the WTBTS is really teaching!