http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcic4g5tulw.
http://www.jwactivists.org.
facebook the association of anti-watchtower activists.
Juan,
I know the person who added me and several others is associated with AAWA or at least on some sort of planning committee, because that person also approached me on Cedars' behalf quite a while back to request that I film a testimonial for the YouTube video, while it was still in the planning stages. In fact, this person was very concerned that details about the organization be kept private, as it was still a secret.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcic4g5tulw.
http://www.jwactivists.org.
facebook the association of anti-watchtower activists.
Facebook apparently added a feature (which everybody hates) a couple years ago allowing you to unilaterally add anybody to a group. You can remove yourself and at the time of removal, click a box preventing anybody else from that group from re-adding you, but it doesn't undo the damage that was done before you notice that you've been added to said group.
Zuckerberg got a taste of his own medicine when someone added him without his consent to the NAMBLA Facebook page:
So yeah, the feature remains available on Facebook. But socially, most people I know consider it rude and even unethical to add someone to a page without their consent. No, it's not as "simple" as just removing yourself if you don't like the group. It's not simple for the people on earlier pages of this thread who were outed. Try telling them it's "simple" as they now face a grilling from their family and friends, or even elders.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcic4g5tulw.
http://www.jwactivists.org.
facebook the association of anti-watchtower activists.
Good for you.
Not everybody has their Facebook settings the same way you do, or even knows that they can be added to a group by somebody else. And not everybody chose to join the group themselves, and some have already spoken earlier in this thread about how they or their friends were outed to JW family/friends by being added without permission.
I did not ask to be added, I was not invited to join (in fact, I had been asked to contribute a testimonial to their YouTube video in the planning stages and specifically declined), I was just added and didn't even find out about it until a day or two later (several of my Facebook friends experienced similar treatment). We were NOT treated with respect or consideration, we were NOT given the opportunity to protect our confidentiality. It was a dismissive "fine, then just remove yourself from the group", which does NOT retroactively undo the damage that was done.
So no, you may not "correct my statement". Not everybody's experience has been as respectful as yours, clearly.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcic4g5tulw.
http://www.jwactivists.org.
facebook the association of anti-watchtower activists.
I'm not a fan of the name, myself, but whatever. It's not my group.
I do object to being added as one of their "activists" without my consent, though, and then being told, "oh, if you don't agree with our mission statement, then you can just remove yourself from our Facebook group". Uh, NO. Don't add me in the first place and then use me and all of the people you added without permission to tout your "growth".
A good chunk of the people they added may not even realize it, or realize it right away, and then they post stuff like, "Wow, only a few hours and we've already got 1300 members! We're growing so fast; I've never seen a response like this in my life!" or whatever. As though all those people were joining of their own accord, which is not the case.
I feel this way about ANY Facebook group that adds people instead of asking them to join, but even more delicacy is required here due to the nature of the group, and the name which many see as inflammatory. They outed some people already to their friends/family by adding them to AAWA - it shows up on your timeline as if you had joined. And it was mentioned a couple of times earlier on this thread that they outed people, but Cedars and his board members ignored those concerns completely and did not even respond to the issue, and on Facebook, they've been addressing it with a collective shrug. ("What, are we supposed to PM 1300 people and invite them to join?! Waaaah, that's too much wooooooork!" Um, yes, actually, that is exactly what a professional would do - contact individuals privately and invite them, and ask them to privately invite their friends.)
I mean, it's not even a hypothetical concern, like "what if they potentially out people?" It has actually happened. It is a real issue. They DID out people, and those people are upset, and they are basically trying to ignore or hand-wave it away.
That, to me, does not bode well. They're already exhibiting the callous attitude that their collective organization's rising star is far more important than any individuals they might (albeit accidentally) trample while promoting it. So what if they put faders at risk of DF-ing or shunning? It all comes secondary to being able to brag about how many "members" they have. So that's a red flag to me.
I don't wish them ill, but as far as joining, myself? Pass.
http://www.hulu.com/watch/457671#i1,p0,d1.
it's a slightly less violent version of passion of the christ.
djesus unchained.. .
Per Pastor Mark Driscoll (I do not endorse his viewpoint at all, just laughing since it seems he got his wish):
"There is a strong drift toward the hard theological left. Some emergent types [want] to recast Jesus as a limp-wrist hippie in a dress with a lot of product in His hair, who drank decaf and made pithy Zen statements about life while shopping for the perfect pair of shoes. In Revelation, Jesus is a pride fighter with a tattoo down His leg, a sword in His hand and the commitment to make someone bleed. That is a guy I can worship. I cannot worship the hippie, diaper, halo Christ because I cannot worship a guy I can beat up."
i did a search and came up with some posts related to san francisco, but i couldn't figure out how to find more recent onesthey were from nearly a dozen years ago!
i was wondering if anyone lives around sf, as well as if anyone is around my age?
i'm early 30's.
FizzyWiglet —why call it apostafest? I take apostacy seriously, but I recognize that the definition was bastardized by the WT. Even still, I see no reason to get ever participate in such a concept—even if its just a slang term. Somehow that makes me feel like a prude. I just don't want to be stuck in the WT limbo land forever. "Apostafest" seems to be a celebration of the not "over it yet" kind of break up style. Ick. Thoughts? Insight?
I guess I simply don't read into the term as deeply as you. And I didn't call it an apostafest. Rarely do I even talk WT stuff any more with my ex-JW friends. We just all met via the same avenue, that's all it refers to. Not gonna overanalyze it. :)
i did a search and came up with some posts related to san francisco, but i couldn't figure out how to find more recent onesthey were from nearly a dozen years ago!
i was wondering if anyone lives around sf, as well as if anyone is around my age?
i'm early 30's.
But… um, what? Showing the love, or just adding snarky Fizz? Was there an xJW swinger convention in Vegas? Please, not on my thread.
I was thinking in retrospect, I feel I should clarify so as not to diss your thread, Nibbled. I was just being silly. Some of us friends had an aposta-gathering last weekend and EP spent all day cooking for us, and we were joking about the food being as good as sex (seriously though, dude is like a master chef - amazing cook). I was having a mildly bawdy/saucy laugh about the ridiculous concept of EP's alleged wretched, miserable life. But looking back on it, it perhaps wasn't a very good joke because it was an in-joke, so my deepest apologies if I have thee offended. :)
i did a search and came up with some posts related to san francisco, but i couldn't figure out how to find more recent onesthey were from nearly a dozen years ago!
i was wondering if anyone lives around sf, as well as if anyone is around my age?
i'm early 30's.
Showing the love, or just adding snarky Fizz? Was there an xJW swinger convention in Vegas?
Do I have to pick just one? Anyway, hi and bye! *fizzy away*
i did a search and came up with some posts related to san francisco, but i couldn't figure out how to find more recent onesthey were from nearly a dozen years ago!
i was wondering if anyone lives around sf, as well as if anyone is around my age?
i'm early 30's.
:)
i did a search and came up with some posts related to san francisco, but i couldn't figure out how to find more recent onesthey were from nearly a dozen years ago!
i was wondering if anyone lives around sf, as well as if anyone is around my age?
i'm early 30's.
Anyway, I must me off, kiddos. I have to go deal with my miserable, wretched life. Woe is me....
Thanks for the hot sexytimes in Vegas this weekend, doll. You're amazing. We must do it again sometime. If that's your miserable, wretched life, I'll have what you're having. ;)
~An Anony Mouse
