i never thought i would admit it, but i don't.
i might superstitiously have some kind of doubt but digging a bit deeper in my heart i really don't believe in god.
as a human i could never just sit and watch people be tortured, live years of abuse, suffer from illness and disabilities and all the other awful things people have to endure day after day without doing something about it.
The quality of discussion can be gauged by the percentage of attitude which comprises the questions - too much, and they are not really questions, wouldn't you agree?
nicaloau asked me for an explanation - which I gave - then several rather more heated posts which I also responded to. It was a serious response to a question which truly haunts some people - doesn't it deserve a little respect, for their sakes?
i never thought i would admit it, but i don't.
i might superstitiously have some kind of doubt but digging a bit deeper in my heart i really don't believe in god.
as a human i could never just sit and watch people be tortured, live years of abuse, suffer from illness and disabilities and all the other awful things people have to endure day after day without doing something about it.
Ah, so now the issue is total independence, not just independence from God.
Interesting how the story evolves when you're challenged.
So, Mankind could survive without God if Satan and his demons helped us out, is that what you're saying?
I'm sure, JuandeFiero, you understand really. Mankind would not have survived - not with the free will which we have.
i never thought i would admit it, but i don't.
i might superstitiously have some kind of doubt but digging a bit deeper in my heart i really don't believe in god.
as a human i could never just sit and watch people be tortured, live years of abuse, suffer from illness and disabilities and all the other awful things people have to endure day after day without doing something about it.
Its strange...
There's a website called JW-Recovery which I joined, and when I mentioned to someone that they could talk to God themselves I was reprimnded for "preaching".
Oddly - why should God not be mentioned in a recovery website?
Is this site also just for atheists? Is is a shooting-ground with believers as the quarry? If watchtower people come here and want support, surely reason should prevail rather than a melée. It certainly does not do the case for atheism any credit if there is so much anger against believers.
i never thought i would admit it, but i don't.
i might superstitiously have some kind of doubt but digging a bit deeper in my heart i really don't believe in god.
as a human i could never just sit and watch people be tortured, live years of abuse, suffer from illness and disabilities and all the other awful things people have to endure day after day without doing something about it.
JuandeFiero,
Why haven't you answered the question about God intervening like he did in the Bible?
Just explain ONE. The Flood. If you've shown God can't intervene, why did he intervene in Noah's day?
I guess God can't break his rules (except when he breaks his rules) but when he breaks those rules, he's not really breaking the rules because he makes the rules to begin with.
The challenge had been set, and Mankind had decided upon independence. Thereafter that independence would continue until the issue was proved... except there was an attempt to completely hijack the earthly project - thus the reason for the deluge. Had God not brought the deluge, then there would have been no opportunity for Mankind to learn it could not manage alone, because Mankind would have been over-ridden by the angels that were attempting to take over the earth.
That is why God intervened - so that humans could continue. It was not breaking the rules, it was rectifying a violation by the adversary.
i never thought i would admit it, but i don't.
i might superstitiously have some kind of doubt but digging a bit deeper in my heart i really don't believe in god.
as a human i could never just sit and watch people be tortured, live years of abuse, suffer from illness and disabilities and all the other awful things people have to endure day after day without doing something about it.
Good afternoon WasanElderOnce,
Hey Acts5v29, the Bible is a collection of books written over 1500 years by 40 different authors. This "theme" you speak of is a construct as they had no collaborative effort in writing these hand picked "books" compiled by power hungry dogmatists in 375 A.D..
The theme I spoke of is from one scripture - Genesis 2:17 - which basically declares that Mankind would come to its demise if it were to go independent from God. One scripture, the entire theme.
The climate crisis is proving we cannot survive, and God's intervention will prove th second part of that prophecy - one scripture, the entire theme. The combining of the Tanakh with the later books is not an issue here.
i never thought i would admit it, but i don't.
i might superstitiously have some kind of doubt but digging a bit deeper in my heart i really don't believe in god.
as a human i could never just sit and watch people be tortured, live years of abuse, suffer from illness and disabilities and all the other awful things people have to endure day after day without doing something about it.
Respectfully nicolaou, as I've already shown, intervention before the due time will ensure that those evil actions continue without end.
If you do not like the idea of God, then be my guest - don't believe in Him - but do not slander Him or me in your angst
i never thought i would admit it, but i don't.
i might superstitiously have some kind of doubt but digging a bit deeper in my heart i really don't believe in god.
as a human i could never just sit and watch people be tortured, live years of abuse, suffer from illness and disabilities and all the other awful things people have to endure day after day without doing something about it.
Respectfully nicolaou, I do not excuse any evil actions - certainly not people like Saville or other silent lambs - nor do I give them license to act the way they do.
You wanted to know why God cannot intervene, so I showed you - and people like Saville are taking full advantage. Until authority in the earth is returned to God, these things will have free reign - its up to the world's leaders to make the call to Him when they feel we cannot cope any longer
i never thought i would admit it, but i don't.
i might superstitiously have some kind of doubt but digging a bit deeper in my heart i really don't believe in god.
as a human i could never just sit and watch people be tortured, live years of abuse, suffer from illness and disabilities and all the other awful things people have to endure day after day without doing something about it.
Good afternoon Iriddle80,
I think we'd both admit there is something of a fear of hearing God being mentioned - not fear of Him, but of enticing others into vulnerability again. I'm sure we can both appreciate that - but it would be nice if people could see that God is not at fault, but the horrible religions. There's room enough here for all reasonable sides.
i never thought i would admit it, but i don't.
i might superstitiously have some kind of doubt but digging a bit deeper in my heart i really don't believe in god.
as a human i could never just sit and watch people be tortured, live years of abuse, suffer from illness and disabilities and all the other awful things people have to endure day after day without doing something about it.
nicolaou,
evil-twisted mentality.
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i never thought i would admit it, but i don't.
i might superstitiously have some kind of doubt but digging a bit deeper in my heart i really don't believe in god.
as a human i could never just sit and watch people be tortured, live years of abuse, suffer from illness and disabilities and all the other awful things people have to endure day after day without doing something about it.
nicolaou et al,
I'm sure you can see the point and the issue really. If we understand it, then we don't feel torn to pieces when we see evil in the world, but if you really want an excuse to cast aspersions at God, you can reason as you are doing.
Nevertheless, when the climate crisis causes such disruption that we cannot cope, we will try every avenue in order to live - and the last one will be to call to God for help, as everyone does at some time. That time, when our entire race is threatened and the entire world's authorities call for help, that is when the issue of "Man cannot survive alone" will have been proved, and God's intervention will prove the second part - that God can make that survival happen.
So please if you wish: enjoy your mud-slinging - all it costs you is peace of mind and your willingness to reason.
