Posts by tidalblitz

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The folly of Watchtower's theodicy. Or, why would an all-powerful and all-wise God need to justify his sovereignty through suffering?

by Island Man in

watchtower says that evil and suffering exist at present to vindicate jehovah as being the only one qualified to govern; to bear witness to man's inability to govern himself independent of god and under satan's direction.

the claim is made that the questions raised by satan regarding god's motives as universal sovereign can only be answered by allowing humans to see the evil and suffering that results when man lives independent of god's protection and direction.. watchtower and jws seem to think that this is the best theodicy in the world.

but there are some serious flaws in it.. 1. such a theodicy suggests that all perfect and intelligent creation, up until the advent of adam and eve, did not know god and his ways well enough to be confident that his motives as universal sovereign are pure.

tidalblitz

And to top it all off, the WT says the lake of fire will always exist for any dissenters who get tired of living in paradise and want to have sex. Remember those that are resurrected can not have sex, they can only look and wish. Anything more than looking and wishing, even just a small "touch" and into the lake of fire you go.

Yup, no sex. Isn't that just a recipe for disaster? Lots of people will have to spend all of eternity being celibate? Impossible! I mean, there will be a whole lot of resurrected ones being thrown into the lake of fire..

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August Study WT "Prepare Now to be a Good Little Drone in the New Order"

by JW_Rogue in

i thought paradise was supposed to be a delight?

not according to the august study wt, on page 20 paragraphs 4-12 it outlines how much paradise will be exactly like being in the org today.

still following rules, waiting on jehovah and obeying those taking the lead.

tidalblitz

This makes it sound like Bethel life. Essentially, they are saying the bethel arrangement will be expanded to the whole world. Yikes! No thanks. I wouldn't want to live in a commune for eternity!

My idea of paradise would be doing whatever the hell I wanted, including nothing at all! Sleep all day? No problem! Go fishing? Absolutely!

"Brother, tomorrow, we need to you to go help dig ditches for the dead bodies."

Me: "No thanks. I'm busy sleeping tomorrow! And the day after that, I'm gonna start on building my own house."

"Brother, you need to follow the arrangement! You need to follow the instructions of those taking the lead!"

Me: "No thanks, I'm good."

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Lurker - just joined

by Je.suis.oisif in

hi all, nothing to report just now.

wanted to add name to list of those awakening.

been lurking for nearly a year.

tidalblitz

Welcome! You are right, all the characters on this forum rock!

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JWs nearly killed my mother

by cookiemaster in

the past week has been hell for me.

my mother started feeling ill and we went to seek medical assistance.

we live in the mountains and the nearest large hospital is about 150 kms away.

tidalblitz

Agreed. Extremely inspiring! I applaud your efforts to save your mom's life. I'm sitting her in awe and almost in tears just thinking about how I would react in this similar situation. And then if my loved ones died because of not taking a blood transfusion. I hope to never be in that situation, but if I am, I hope to act with the same tenacity and conviction you showed!

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Anthony Morris III: "...we cannot control everything that an individual might say..."

by cappytan in

i noticed that anthony morris iii just said on the broadcast: "while we cannot control everything that an individual might say, it is clear that over the decades protecting children from abuse is a top priority for this organization.".

that, in my opinion, is a direct response to the richard ashe "spiritual protection not physical protection" deposition.. here's a video putting the two statements side by side.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgevpuyn7gy.

tidalblitz

I'm sure most publishers will just nod their heads in aggreement.
Only the ones who've suffered and the enabler elders and CO's will know better.

This right here is probably the saddest for me. People who watch the broadcast don't put brain cells on what's being said.

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Candace Conti Settles

by Nitty-Gritty in

hot topic on topix seems to be candace conti settlement.

but it's all quiet here.

are you guys aware that your hero, who was not in it for the money but to change policies, settled without changing anything?

tidalblitz

So, Nitty-Gritty, you look at the settlement and automatically portray Candace Conti in a negative light? Are you saying that she wasn't molested? Are you saying that child molestation does not happen in the JW congregations?

I think its pretty rotten of you to come to the defense of a faceless organization and attack a victim, accusing her of improper motives.

Also, what do you mean it was Candace's turn to appeal? It was the WTS that appealed to the California Supreme Court. It was the WTS that looked to settle before that court took a look at the case. Candace accepted the original verdict. She was willing to fight further if the WTS wanted to fight further. But the WTS wanted to settle and so she accepted.

You need to stop looking at this with rose tinted glasses and see the truth behind the matter. The WTS should come out boldly against child molestation. It should direct elders to announce to all parents in the congregations if a convicted child molester is in the congregation and who that person is. This secret bullshit needs to stop.. and NOW!

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NEW JW music video "Give You My All" Please resist the urge to Self-harm or\and Projectile vomit

by Watchtower-Free in

jw broadcasting june 2015 ..........................please resist the urge to self-harm or\and projectile vomit .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oobnjyo0fvu.

tidalblitz

Yea WTF!? The worst part about this is that everyone I know will be gushing over it.. that's the stuff that makes my skin crawl!

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Where are the Young Elders?

by James Jack in

i was appointed as an elder when i turned 30, 25 years ago.

which was the norm back then.. now, i very rarely here of a young man becoming an elder.

in our town we have 2 english congregations.

tidalblitz

Yes, I honestly don't want the busywork of being an elder. I see the effort put forth and I wanted no part of that. I already hated doing the talks in the school, what more having to do that and service meeting parts and public talks! Hell NO!

In my hall, most elders in their late forties and fifties. There is one who is in their mid thirties. Lots of ms in their mid thirties as well. In my old hall, they had to bring in outsiders because all the elders were in their sixties and there was a lack of "qualified" men. All of the guys I grew up with in my old hall are pretty much out of the religion. About 8 guys in all. This religion is slowly becoming stale from the lack of new blood..

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Is this doctrine still in in effect?

by WasOnceBlind in

so something i never knew was the fact jw's were taught that jesus is only the mediator for the anointed class and not for everyone.

i only found this out after reading "crisis of conscience" and i was actually pretty shocked to learn so.

if that is the case, when they pray why even bother saying the words "in the name of jesus christ we ask"?

tidalblitz

Yes, finding out this was true brought tears to my eyes. I had no idea. The bible wasn't even meant for me? Then why bother?

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Why do you still give talks?

by 1tMakesNoSence in

assuming you are still sitting there because of circumstances.

why do you still give/don't give talks?i ask this because i have to give talk no.

3: love and obedience bring happinessnwt p. 26 4-6 (5 min.

tidalblitz

I had a talk 3 this past Wednesday that I blew off. It's amazing how going to a few meetings in a row automatically makes them think it's a good idea to assign me a talk. I go to the meetings and then proceed to spend 3/4 of it outside with my 19 mo. old son. I could do the old way of giving talks, no problem.. give a discourse. The new way of doing it is BS. No way I'll do that crap..