sorry, i meant to give you my thoughts on your last paragraph too.
i think, given my concept of an allpowerful god who permeates all of creation but is not bound by it, that it is one and the same "holy spirit"
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Angels Are God's Holy Spirits
by Bruce144 inthere are many debates about the trinity and jesus being michael the archangel and not much about the holy spirit.
the watchtower has tried so hard to not personalize the holy spirit in fear of the trinity being accepted, they accept only the active force of god as being the holy spirit.
when in reality it is not hard to see that all the angels are god's holy spirits.
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Angels Are God's Holy Spirits
by Bruce144 inthere are many debates about the trinity and jesus being michael the archangel and not much about the holy spirit.
the watchtower has tried so hard to not personalize the holy spirit in fear of the trinity being accepted, they accept only the active force of god as being the holy spirit.
when in reality it is not hard to see that all the angels are god's holy spirits.
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hi bruce,
i like the post but, it seens to me, that you may be assigning the title of holy sprit, to all references to a sprit. i now of no bilical references that would imply that there is more then one "holy speit". if you can think of any i would like to read them -
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The annual Jehovah's Witness Satanic Ritual
by unclebruce injehovahs witnesses are lovely people, i should know - i officially still am one ... but ... although their great cult leader, judge joseph rutherford, banned them from taking part in the evil pagan celebrations of birthdays and such, there is one ceremony that is ridgedly and solemly adhered to.
the anual celebration of the "lords evening meal".
as most here are aware, each nissan14, kingdom halls around the world are packed to the collection boxes with the 'happiest people on earth'.
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willy_think
i think thay will be asked to do little more then "simply watch the emblems pass by"
here are a few things thay will also be asked to reject
maby the more knowledgeable posters can add to the list
the divinity of christ--------------- rejected
jesus died for flesh and blood------- rejected
jesus died on the cross-------------- rejected
jesus is the way to the father------- rejected
the act of communion with christ----- rejected
the sacrifice of christ-------------- rejected
( in making it a ransom it is made into an extortion payment)things that make me go hmmmmmmmmmmm
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The annual Jehovah's Witness Satanic Ritual
by unclebruce injehovahs witnesses are lovely people, i should know - i officially still am one ... but ... although their great cult leader, judge joseph rutherford, banned them from taking part in the evil pagan celebrations of birthdays and such, there is one ceremony that is ridgedly and solemly adhered to.
the anual celebration of the "lords evening meal".
as most here are aware, each nissan14, kingdom halls around the world are packed to the collection boxes with the 'happiest people on earth'.
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willy_think
how could the rejection of that which represents christ, not be seen as a rejection of that which christ represents?
i can't find any biblical reference that would indicate that jesus wanted some of his teachings followed by only his apostles and some followed by the rest of his "flock" i can't accept the "well, you weren't there so jesus was not talking to you" arguement
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Channel of Communication?
by Francois inwe are told that the governing body is the group through which god speaks to the human race.
we have also been told by that governing body that mysticism is of the devil.
it's evilwickedmeanbadandnasty.. so exactly how, then, does the gb get this information from god?.
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willy_think
if the H.S. were "a helper" that teaches, how then could it be as claimed by the WT, a mindless force? i think the WT will need to put a different spin on the "helper". or the "confusion" of the "trinity" become even more "confusing".
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Was there evil before Adam sinned?
by terraly inthis question is specifically asked of jw-apologists, but anyone's response is greatly appreciated.. is all evil in the world the result of humankind's sin?.
the watchtower teaches that the earth is old (in agreement with science), but that humankind is young (6,000 years as of 1975).
since they wish to have an old earth however, it is necessary to say that each day of creation is longer than an actual day- various figures are given i believe.. i believe i am correct in saying that the logical conclusion must be that animals existed for a long time prior to the events in the garden of eden and the sinning of human beings.
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one day while i was watching a TV nature program with my small neice , i saw a young caribou eating grass, we thought nothing of it but when the caribou was, seized by wolves it upset my neice. but i noticed that the wolves DID NOT kill the caribou thay only ate it death was just a thing that happens to anything that is eaten.
in genesis the fruit eaten was called the fruit of knowledge of god and evil which could be said to represent the knowledge of the duelistic nature of creation. the "sin" was not in acquiring knowledge but in disobeying gods command. if we were to return to the garden and we did lose the "knowledge" how then could we discrininate between one kind of eating and another.
if satan was "evil" to tempt eve then, evil exisited before the knowledge of evil. but if evil is a byproduct of knowledge, like death is a byproduct of eating then would it be necessary to change the behaivor of animals? or would the observer simply reconize the act of eating with out judgement? -
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Are they looking for "Rice Christians"?
by Gopher ini'm trying to get a clear "take" on this:.
the wts has often implied that their form of missionary work, concentrating on "preaching and teaching", is superior to that of christendom's.
christendom often starts out by bringing food supplies, hospitals and the like, supposedly "enticing" the natives with material goodies.
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LDH,
the "catholic charities" have been receiving $$ for years and any other faith based charity can get it too, now today. all they need do is hire licensed sochial workers and not preach religon. if the true and real objective of the " faith based charities" is to help people and not make converts, what need is there to wait? -
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The annual Jehovah's Witness Satanic Ritual
by unclebruce injehovahs witnesses are lovely people, i should know - i officially still am one ... but ... although their great cult leader, judge joseph rutherford, banned them from taking part in the evil pagan celebrations of birthdays and such, there is one ceremony that is ridgedly and solemly adhered to.
the anual celebration of the "lords evening meal".
as most here are aware, each nissan14, kingdom halls around the world are packed to the collection boxes with the 'happiest people on earth'.
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i "understand" what the WT is saying but the point that simon made nulifies the whole thing, how can that go unseen? that is what i don't get. if that is there complete justification, then the door to door work must be a satanic rite. jesus, to my understanding, came to and for all mankind. he was not a functionary of any "church" come to establish a law based system. if the "witches" or "satanist" mock the works of jesus, then how does there mockery make the eating of the "bread" anything but christian?
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The annual Jehovah's Witness Satanic Ritual
by unclebruce injehovahs witnesses are lovely people, i should know - i officially still am one ... but ... although their great cult leader, judge joseph rutherford, banned them from taking part in the evil pagan celebrations of birthdays and such, there is one ceremony that is ridgedly and solemly adhered to.
the anual celebration of the "lords evening meal".
as most here are aware, each nissan14, kingdom halls around the world are packed to the collection boxes with the 'happiest people on earth'.
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unclebruce,
i'm not sure i understand you, i know that in zoroasterisom 600 years older them chistianity, there was a savior born of a virgin, son of god, but how does any other religons belief cause a rejection of the words of jesus? satanic religon, to my understanding, denys christ. would satan "mock" a "satanic" ritual? if finding stories that parrel the NT in other beleifs nullifies the teachings of jesus, does that then mean then that we must reject all the teachings of jesus? sence he asked his desciples to partake in a "satanic right"? was it the "higher" calling of the deciples that protected them? it is my understanding that the "annoited" of the WT do eat the "bread" how can that be ok? -
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The annual Jehovah's Witness Satanic Ritual
by unclebruce injehovahs witnesses are lovely people, i should know - i officially still am one ... but ... although their great cult leader, judge joseph rutherford, banned them from taking part in the evil pagan celebrations of birthdays and such, there is one ceremony that is ridgedly and solemly adhered to.
the anual celebration of the "lords evening meal".
as most here are aware, each nissan14, kingdom halls around the world are packed to the collection boxes with the 'happiest people on earth'.
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plese, if someone could answer the question i posted above, acourting to WT doctrine, it would help in my undestanding. i see many great articulate posts one of you must be able to explain.