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PLEASE help! I need a copy of a 2002 BOE letter...
by lilacs4everr in
1. watchtower
2. child-abuse
if anyone has access to letters sent to bodies of elders in the united states last year, i need your help.

there was a letter read to the congregation shortly after the dateline expose on child abuse.

but, at the same time, the society also sent a letter to the elders only stating that if anyone in the congregation reported abuse that they should not be sanctioned.
lilacs4everr

Undisfellowshipped,
Thank you with all my heart! That BOE letter is exactly what I needed!!! - Lilacs
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PLEASE help! I need a copy of a 2002 BOE letter...
by lilacs4everr in
1. watchtower
2. child-abuse
if anyone has access to letters sent to bodies of elders in the united states last year, i need your help.

there was a letter read to the congregation shortly after the dateline expose on child abuse.

but, at the same time, the society also sent a letter to the elders only stating that if anyone in the congregation reported abuse that they should not be sanctioned.
lilacs4everr

If anyone has access to letters sent to Bodies of Elders in the United States last year, I need your help. There was a letter read to the congregation shortly after the Dateline expose on child abuse. But, at the same time, the Society also sent a letter to the Elders ONLY stating that if anyone in the congregation reported abuse that they should not be sanctioned. This letter was NOT read to the congregation. This is the letter I need a copy of. Can anyone help? A brother who went to court with me will soon be punished if we don't have this letter to rub in their faces. PLEASE, help us if you can. Many, many thanks for caring! - Lilacs
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Silentlambs site new look
by Nordic in
1. watchtower
2. child-abuse
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the silentlambs site have changes the look.. i think the changes is a great step foreward.. www.silentlambs.org.

nordic
lilacs4everr

I keep getting the message "Page cannot be displayed" whenever I try to log on to the new silentlambs site. Anyone else had this problem? Any suggestions? - Lilac
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Hawk! Read this, it might help the NH court case!
by lilacs4everr in
1. watchtower
2. child-abuse
hawk, .

would judge groff be interested in the watchtower's own admission that they aren't clergy?

the first quote is from the february 15, 1994 watchtower.
lilacs4everr

Hawk,
Would Judge Groff be interested in the Watchtower's own admission that they AREN'T clergy? The first quote is from the February 15, 1994 Watchtower. The second is from the Knowledge book, printed in 1995, page 137.
*** w94 2/15 7 Are Jehovah's Witnesses a Cult? ***

It is precisely because of this close adherence to Bible teachings that the veneration and idolization of human leaders so characteristic of cults today is not to be found among Jehovah’s Witnesses. They reject the concept of a clergy-laity distinction. The Encyclopedia of Religion aptly states about Jehovah’s Witnesses: "A clergy class and distinctive titles are prohibited."
*** kl 137 14 Whose Authority Should You Recognize? ***

20 Regarding Christian elders, Paul wrote: "Be obedient to those who are taking the lead among you and be submissive, for they are keeping watch over your souls as those who will render an account; that they may do this with joy and not with sighing, for this would be damaging to you." (Hebrews 13:17) Wisely, God has entrusted to Christian overseers the responsibility to care for the spiritual needs of those in the congregation. These elders do not constitute a clergy class. They are servants and slaves of God, ministering to the needs of their fellow worshipers, just as our master, Jesus, Christ did."
The prosecuting attorneys might love getting their hands on these quotes. I hope this helps!!!
Lilacs4
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Sisters may pursue church case-Another Blow to the WT
by DevonMcBride in
1. watchtower
2. child-abuse
judge: sisters may pursue church case

the telegraph, feb. 26, 2003. http://www.nashuatelegraph.com/.

by andrew wolfe, telegraph staff.
lilacs4everr

Hawk,
Would these quotes help the court case? The first one is from the 1994 Watchtower, Feb 15, page 7. The second one is from the Knowledge book, 1995, page 137, paragraph 20.
*** w94 2/15 7 Are Jehovah's Witnesses a Cult? ***

It is precisely because of this close adherence to Bible teachings that the veneration and idolization of human leaders so characteristic of cults today is not to be found among Jehovah’s Witnesses. They reject the concept of a clergy-laity distinction. The Encyclopedia of Religion aptly states about Jehovah’s Witnesses: "A clergy class and distinctive titles are prohibited."
*** kl 137 14 Whose Authority Should You Recognize? ***

20 Regarding Christian elders, Paul wrote: "Be obedient to those who are taking the lead among you and be submissive, for they are keeping watch over your souls as those who will render an account; that they may do this with joy and not with sighing, for this would be damaging to you." (Hebrews 13:17) Wisely, God has entrusted to Christian overseers the responsibility to care for the spiritual needs of those in the congregation. These elders do not constitute a clergy class. They are servants and slaves of God, ministering to the needs of their fellow worshipers, just as our master Jesus Christ did."
I think the judge would be real interested in seeing their own admissions to NOT being clergy. Wouldn't that do away with the whole clergy/privilege issue?
Lilacs4
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Have you been punished for testifying in court?
by lilacs4everr in
1. jw
2. experiences
on the official wt website, under media, there is a statement that says no sanctions are taken against any member of the congregation who reports abuse to the authorities.

well, guess what?

a member of my family made a statement to a judge in regards to an abuse case and immediately had his privileges taken away from him.
lilacs4everr

On the official WT website, under media, there is a statement that says no sanctions are taken against any member of the congregation who reports abuse to the authorities. Well, guess what? A member of my family made a statement to a judge in regards to an abuse case and immediately had his privileges taken away from him. He is now a servant in name only. Just waiting for the official ax to fall.... Anyway, has this happened to any of you? Gone to court to get police protection/assistance because of abuse and ended up being punished for it? I'd love to hear your stories. Lilac
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Just In: CP 5PM Feb. 6 Disclosing CDN Abuse Files
by reporter in
1. watchtower
2. child-abuse
former jehovah's witnesses press church to disclose abuse files.

at 17:00 on february 6, 2003, est.. .

printable version send to a friend.
lilacs4everr

Hey Reporter,
Great post, but was this printed in a newspaper somewhere? If it was, could you provide a link? Thanks!
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The Fifth Estate: Post your comments HERE
by Scully in
1. watchtower
2. child-abuse
for everyone who's watched.... or is in the process of watching the show..... .

please feel free to post your comments.... reactions.... quotes that stood out in your mind here!.

love, scully
lilacs4everr

Hawk,
Thanks for the newspaper link !!!
Lilac
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The Fifth Estate: Post your comments HERE
by Scully in
1. watchtower
2. child-abuse
for everyone who's watched.... or is in the process of watching the show..... .

please feel free to post your comments.... reactions.... quotes that stood out in your mind here!.

love, scully
lilacs4everr

Has anyone heard of any newspaper articles covering the 5th Estate show on Jan. 29th? If anyone has links, please post them !!! Thanks !!!
Anyone a victim of Larry "Lawrence" G...
by lilacs4everr in
1. watchtower
2. child-abuse
this brother lived in the green bay, wisconsin area most of his adult life.

he has also lived in the carthage, missouri area.

if anyone has been abused by him and needs current info on him, just contact me.
lilacs4everr

This brother lived in the Green Bay, Wisconsin area most of his adult life. He has also lived in the Carthage, Missouri area. If anyone has been abused by him and needs current info on him, just contact me. Rodeoman74301@yahoo.com