Posts by xenawarrior

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Hey Dana

by WildTurkey in

how did the gators like their cat food?

geaux tigers!!!

!

xenawarrior

that's okay Heathen, just sit tight, they'll be by with your medication real soon.......

XW

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Comments from Ray Franz re Bill Bowen

by Amazing in

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i talked at length with ray franz this afternoon regarding the following comments by bill bowen: ray franz supports the wt policy on child abuse.

he is the author of the two eye witness rule as well as the slander issue that prevents anyone from warning another of child abuse in the congregation.

it is interesting that wt is willing to fight to the last man standing for a policy that in large part was founded by their biggest apostate.

I'm still amazed that there are folks who are still viewing this as a disagreement between Ray and Bill. This wasn't a disagreement between these two men. It was an attack on Ray Franz by Bill Bowen while Ray was minding his own business. The fact that Ray spoke to that was only facilitated by Amazing's caring for him and wanting his voice heard in this ridiculous mess. I would venture a guess that had Amazing not done that, Ray wouldn't even have spoken at all. He was under no obligation to do so simply because Bill was speaking of him.

Evidently, at one point in time, Bill asked Ray for his backing of silentlambs and Ray declined for whatever reasons. And those reasons are Ray's own business and he owes NOONE an explanation of them. The absence of an explanation does not, nor did it ever mean any of the things Bill Bowen attached to him. The point is that Ray Franz is under no obligation to support silentlambs or any other organization. It appears that Bill wasn't happy about Ray's decision and in a knee-jerk reaction to his frustration over that, decided to assume some pretty negative things about what Ray's decision meant in the whole scheme of things and then set about to share those "opinions" on a message board. Bill had no right to do this and it amounted to slander IMO.

If someone decides to attack me with outright falsehoods, does my silence make them true? And if someone speaks to me about it and my voice/ the truth is then heard through them, does that mean that there was a disagreement between me and that person? NO! It's not a relational problem that I was part of, it was an attack that my voice was added to.

Waiting:

Well, to be honest, I'm stumped on this one. Neither man has lost credibility in my estimation. I think if we center on the man more than the cause.............the cause will suffer because the man most likely won't live up to our expectations. Just human nature.

With all due respect, is it really just human nature to slander someone on an internationally public message board because you don't like that they won't back your cause? I hope not. Ray Franz's credibility was never in question here until Bill decided to banter it around in his temper tantrum over the lack of support he had hoped for.

Perhaps that's the primary reason that people with money don't speak directly to people a lot of time. Perhaps if Bill and/or SilentLambs received more money, then he could have a PR person give a canned response for him - keep him out of all the side commotion.

then we deal with the Real Bill. If we want PR, then we give enough money so that someone speaks for Bill...but then we don't get the Real Bill.

You are kidding right? We should pay Bill to act like a decent person and deal with others with respect and not slander them? And if we give him more money this will happen? But it won't happen because Bill isn't doing it anymore, it will happen because he is being kept out of the public because he doesn't know how to act out here? Bill shouldn't need a PR person. If he is worthy of being the leader of this movement or any other, then he should act like a leader. I for one will not give him any extra money to buy that type of common decency or professionalism. If this is "The Real Bill" it speaks volumes.

your response to Valis:

Did you ever think Bill just doesn't want to answer you? If he uses the same sarcasm as you do....you'll perhaps judge him insincere, once again. Perhaps he thinks he's in a no-win situation. I'm beginning to think that.

Did you ever think that Ray Franz didn't want to answer Bill? This, I believe was one of Valis' and Reborn's points in asking the questions they did. Bill felt that because HE, Bill Bowen was asking questions of Ray Franz the earth should stop and Ray should answer the questions. Yet, it's okay if Bill doesn't want to answer the questions posed to him? What is good for one is good for the other don't you think? Bill was calling Ray Franz out, making up questions and demanding answers of Ray and putting seeds into the minds of others about what it meant if the questions were not answered. Yet he answers no questions himself? Arrogance. In light of Bill's allegations against Ray- Valis and Reborn's questions were valid. And they were and still are-unanswered. Amazing got some answers for the few naysayers around here regarding what Ray thinks- from Ray. Yet Bill is above even having someone else answer for him in this instance. Ironic isn't it? If Bill Bowen thinks he's in a "no-win" situation, he placed himself there- noone else did.

This was never a "disagreement" between Ray Franz and Bill Bowen. It was a slanderous attack on Ray by Bill while Ray was having tea or watching Jeopardy. Blindsided. And I find it sad that so many jumped on the bandwagon and said "oh, they've talked things out and it's all good now" Ray shouldn't have needed to talk to anyone about it and for me, it's not all good.

Follow him? No, I'm sorry, I can't. And my decision is based on leadership, it has nothing to do with how I feel about the victims of abuse. And please don't try telling me that I don't support victims because I no longer can support Bill Bowen. From the outside, the organization is it's leader.

XW

Edited by - xenawarrior on 16 October 2002 16:8:31

Edited by - xenawarrior on 16 October 2002 16:10:2

Edited by - xenawarrior on 16 October 2002 16:11:40

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Bible: Women are Inferior

by JosephAlward in

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no teaching in the bible is clearer and more consistent than the one which holds women to be inferior to men.

below i show that it is taught that the woman was created from man, for man, that man--not woman--is the glory of god, and that women are not allowed to teach or control man because the woman, not the man, is the one who was deceived by the serpent.

" (1 corinthians 11:2-9) "for a man...is the image and glory of god: but the woman is the glory of the man.

xenawarrior

*YAWN*

Gotta run now, have a business to run....

XW of the "ROTFLMAO" class

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Car Singing and A Brand New Key. Fluff Alert!

by BeautifulGarbage in

well, i got a brand new pair of roller skates.

i got a brand new pair of roller skates.

well, i got a brand new pair of roller skates.

xenawarrior

Andee!!!

Love Three Dog Night!!!!!!

Here's another one- (pretty soon we'll have to change this to the 70's music thread lol)

Vanity Fare:

HITCHIN' A RIDE

A thumb goes up, 
a car goes by 
It's nearly 1 AM 
and here am I 
Hitchin' a ride, 
hitchin' a ride 
Gotta get me home 
before the mornin'light

I've got no fare 
to ride a train 
I'm nearly drownin' 
in the pourin' rain 
Hitchin' a ride, 
hitchin' a ride 
Gotta get me home 
to my baby's side

Ride, ride, ride, 
hitchin' a ride 
Ride, ride, ride, 
hitchin' a ride

Long-distance call 
I got today 
She sounded lonely, 
so I'm on my way 
Hitchin' a ride, 
hitchin' a ride 
Gotta get me home 
to keep her satisfied

(instrumental) 
Ride, ride, ride, 
hitchin' a ride 
Ride, ride, ride, 
hitchin' a ride

A thumb goes up, 
a car goes by 
Won't somebody stop 
to help a guy 
Hitchin' a ride, 
hitchin' a ride 
I've been away too long 
from my baby's side

(several times): 
Ride, ride, ride, 
hitchin' a ride

(repeat and fade): 
Ride, ride

Next???? This is fun and it brings back so many memories!

XW

Edited by - xenawarrior on 16 October 2002 1:21:12

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Our Magic Ride

by onacruse in

katie and i went to newberg, oregon for our balloon trip.

sunday morning, 7:00 a.m., cool, crisp, totally clear.. .

expert balloonist craig holds the tie wires, just like he was told.

xenawarrior

NPY-- It was "The Fifth Dimension"

XW

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Our Magic Ride

by onacruse in

katie and i went to newberg, oregon for our balloon trip.

sunday morning, 7:00 a.m., cool, crisp, totally clear.. .

expert balloonist craig holds the tie wires, just like he was told.

xenawarrior

Congratulations Craig & Katie!!!!!!!

I wish you much happiness!!

XW

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Car Singing and A Brand New Key. Fluff Alert!

by BeautifulGarbage in

well, i got a brand new pair of roller skates.

i got a brand new pair of roller skates.

well, i got a brand new pair of roller skates.

xenawarrior

OMG CC, you just brought back a funny memory. On April Fool's Day one year back in the early 70's a DJ at a local radio station played the song "Dead Skunk" over and over all day.

"There's a dead skunk in the middle of the road, a dead skunk in the middle of the road, there's a dead skunk in the middle of the road and it's stinkin' to hiiighh heaven!!"

It was an obnoxious song to begin with and playing it all day made it that much worse.

Thanks for the nostalgia.

Here's another one from that era:

LOVE GROWS

She ain't got no money Clothes are kind of funny Hair is kind of wild and free Oh, but love grows where my Rosemary goes And nobody knows like me

She talks kind of lazy People say she's crazy And her love's a mystery Oh, but love grows where my Rosemary goes And nobody knows like me

There's somethin' about her hand holdin' mine It's a feelin' that's fine And I just gotta say She's really got a magical spell And it's workin' so well That I can't get away

I'm a lucky fella And I just gotta tell her That I love her endlessly Because love grows where my Rosemary goes And nobody knows like me

XW

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another fun psych test, try it

by terabletera in

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friends

> > make sure to change the score on the subject line.

> > b) make a quiet entrance, looking around for.

> > to your head.

xenawarrior

40 and it was pretty much right on the head for me too.

XW

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Quotes site now in Germany

by Beans in

thanks to german jw for posting a link to a beautiful apostate site in germany, i e-mailed the web master about adding our link to there site and he did immediatley.

yes spreading the good word has gotten easier thanks to the internet!

zehr vielen danke german jw!!!

xenawarrior

NICE PICTURE BEANS!!!!!!

XW

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Official Sign up for Xmas Gift Exchange! LOOK!

by scootergirl in

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friends

some of you may have seen my previous thread regarding a secret gift exchange for the upcoming holiday season.

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=37180&site=3&page=1

so here it is......the official sign up!

xenawarrior

ballistic::: Not to worry. There are already folks signed up who are overseas from the US and I for one entered into it knowing that sending the package overseas might be a possibility. Please join in the fun!!!!!!!!!

XW of the "Christmas Elf with a sword" class