rules (speaking in the human sense) were developed since adam first met eve, and have been evolving ever since.
many such rules eventually become laws, though most are first subsumed as "natural" behavioralism.. rules (speaking in the theistic sense) are dictated by a higher moral being.
these rules become inexorably encrusted with age and superstition.. rules (speaking in the practical sense) are "what works for the time, and people of that time.".
Actually Craig- there is a rule like that already. We've all just found a way around it. Is that breaking the rule or bending it?
LOL Brummie- how do you play fair with paint ball. "Okay, but just don't get any on me"
Thanks for the fun thread Craig !
rules (speaking in the human sense) were developed since adam first met eve, and have been evolving ever since.
many such rules eventually become laws, though most are first subsumed as "natural" behavioralism.. rules (speaking in the theistic sense) are dictated by a higher moral being.
these rules become inexorably encrusted with age and superstition.. rules (speaking in the practical sense) are "what works for the time, and people of that time.".
Geez...there should be some rule to prevent people like SixofNumb-nuts, AlanF****er, XW ("I wish I was a male" LOL ), and Brummie-of-the-really-bad-cat-breath-class from posting on this db.
Go ahead and write one Craig- then at least we won't be breaking an unwritten rule. I have a personal rule about that dontcha know
rules (speaking in the human sense) were developed since adam first met eve, and have been evolving ever since.
many such rules eventually become laws, though most are first subsumed as "natural" behavioralism.. rules (speaking in the theistic sense) are dictated by a higher moral being.
these rules become inexorably encrusted with age and superstition.. rules (speaking in the practical sense) are "what works for the time, and people of that time.".
On a more serious note, one way that I think rules can cause trouble is our own internal rules. Sometimes we don't even know we are operating by them and don't know someone else has "violated" them- we just know we are pissed off! And many times these internal rules can set up some pretty unreasonable expectations of other people.
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it has just been announced on cnn that president bush has contributed $10,000 of his own money to the tsunami victims.. poor guy he obviously doesn't have much money.. .
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ROTFLMAO !!
*Cheers*
edited to add: Cassidy even liked that one !!
rules (speaking in the human sense) were developed since adam first met eve, and have been evolving ever since.
many such rules eventually become laws, though most are first subsumed as "natural" behavioralism.. rules (speaking in the theistic sense) are dictated by a higher moral being.
these rules become inexorably encrusted with age and superstition.. rules (speaking in the practical sense) are "what works for the time, and people of that time.".
"When you are in my house you will refrain from playing paint ball"
Damn Brummie- how unreasonable can you be??? How bout if I bring you cookies? Then can I?
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it has just been announced on cnn that president bush has contributed $10,000 of his own money to the tsunami victims.. poor guy he obviously doesn't have much money.. .
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I agree that Bush should not be lambasted for personally contributing to the relief efforts. The amount seems quite small for a man of his stature, but it's still more than most of us will give. Of bigger interest here is the $40 million that will be spent on his inauguration party, in light of the initial $15 million/$35 million promise of aid to the region made by his administration. This is especially outrageous in light of recent comments by Rumsfeld to soldiers complaining about the lack of armor, "you go to war with the army you've got." Too bad we also had to go to the polls with the choices we had.
144- Hey there !! The only taxpayer money being spent on the inauguration is for the ceremony only and amounts to $1 million set aside by Congress for that purpose. The "up to 40 million" being spent on parties and balls and all the rest of it is paid for with private money NOT taxpayer's money. I don't believe we can start telling private citizens what they can do with their money and is it possible for private donors to fund our military? Why don't we tell Michael Moore to donate all of the money he receives from "Farenheit 911" to the disaster relief effort- from the date of the tsunami forward. He's made millions on that movie and it's all profit now so why not? I hear John Kerry still has money sitting in his campaign coffers. Why not put pressure on him to donate that to the disaster relief? And why not call out to cancel the Academy Awards in March and filter all of the money from that pomp and circumstance into the relief? Or maybe cancel the Super Bowl??? Just what the heck are we doing celebrating sports and spending money like that on a tradition when there are bad things happening? The price of a 30 second ad for the Super Bowl this year is $2 million. Why not cancel it and all the advertisers funnel that money into the disaster relief. Essie:
whoa. I have no idea why you're so hostile toward me
Which came first- the chicken or the egg? You walked into this thread with this:
OMG I was JUST coming here to post about this.)(!*&%~&^$~!!!)(&!*&%!.
that's all i have to say about that.
It appears that you had just read or heard about it and couldn't wait to post about your anger about it. I guess we both have some hostility on different sides of this.
I never attacked you, swore at you, or said that your opinion was "shitty". demanding and ungrateful? I think again, you're protesting too much in the defense of someone who is, depending on your POV, either indefensible or in NO need of defense.
And I think you are protesting too much about something that is a very good thing- someone GAVE $10,000 of their own money to a worthy cause. I didn't attack you and I wasn't singling you out- I was talking about all of the people out there who are judging the depth or the speed of others' giving in this situation. I do believe it's shitty. And if you are doing that then I think it's shitty that you are but you aren't the Lone Ranger there. And I would compare "shitty" to be about as much "swearing" in this day and age as the "hells" and "damns" you use yourself.
I would also like to add that you have no idea how much I personally have given or have done for charity in my life. If you did know, you might not be swearing at me. But that's okay.
I didn't question what you give personally and I don't really know what one thing has to do with the other.
I believe that it's merely another opportunity to bash Bush. I don't see people chastising the famous people they are fond of or judging what they are giving or even asking if they are giving. Politicizing this disaster just sucks. XW
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it has just been announced on cnn that president bush has contributed $10,000 of his own money to the tsunami victims.. poor guy he obviously doesn't have much money.. .
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The point is...................... George W. Bush (or anyone else for that matter) is NOT obligated in any way to give one thin dime for the charity or betterment of another. It's charity and IMO it's shitty for people to judge whether the amount they have DONATED of their own earned money is enough! It's a gift! I'd hate like hell to give any of those people a gift and have them judge whether my gift to them was of appropriate size or value depending on my income level. It's a damned good thing we have people in this world with the means and the desire to donate sums of money that make a difference and IMO it's demanding and ungrateful to be sitting in judgement of the amounts.
As far as the inaugural celebrations are concerned- did you question the money spent by the Clintons on Bill's inaugural celebrations and whether he should have donated that money to whatever disasters were going on at that time? Or do you reserve this misguided contempt only for George Bush? I'm certain we could find all kinds of things that were going on in either of those years that the $$ could have been spent on instead of those days' worth of activities or the costumes Bill and Hillary wore at those events.
well, i'm at a friend's getting likkered up, and asked to use the puter to say hi to y'all!!!.
i miss all of you, and have not been near a pc for months, so i hope you are well, and wanted to say a 'happy new year' to every one of you.
i hope all your journeys are going well, and look forward to being back on the net,,,, someday !!
Happy New Year to you too Tal ! Nice to see you pop in ! (((((((((((tal))))))))) I hope all is well in your world!
XW
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it has just been announced on cnn that president bush has contributed $10,000 of his own money to the tsunami victims.. poor guy he obviously doesn't have much money.. .
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I just think that the amount was too low considering his wealth. He is very wealthy, aside from his big presidential salary.
Well, I'm glad that you have put yourself in a position to judge the significance of another person's charitable contribution. Talk about looking a gift horse in the mouth !
George W. Bush's net worth has been estimated at anywhere between 9 and 26 million. Not that wealthy in comparison to others in this country. And as stated previously; in 2003 he and Laura donated $68,360 to charity.
I also still believe the US contribution overall is too low. Not private donations, what our government has offered compared to other, smaller nations. But I'm sure that'll get defended too LOL.
LOL? Yeah, that's funny. In addition to the $350 million, this is some of the other stuff our government is doing:
* Over 12,600 troups on the ground over there already and more on the way
* (21) U.S. military ships including the 2 fleets listed following-
* The USS Abraham Lincoln and her 5 ships are there
* The Expeditionary Group 5 - a group of 6 ships- amphibious ships Rushmore, Bonhomme Richard and
Duluth, a guided missile cruiser; Bunker Hill, the guided missile destroyer; Milius and guided missile
frigate; Thach and their crews and equipment
* The US Naval Ship"Mercy", a 1,000 bed hospital ship is on it's way from San Diego
* (7) US warships will arrive in the next several days, each capable of producing 90,000 gallons of
fresh water daily. Thats 630,000 gallons of fresh water per day!
* (17) US C-130 cargo planes are flying in supplies to the areas affected the most
* (9) Naval P-3 Orion surveillance planes are there
* (96) Helicopters with 50 arriving today with 2 more ships
* other C-7 and C-5 cargo planes
* teams of military entomologists, epidimiologists and lab technicians
* Earth moving and road building equipment equipment
* Electrical power generators
And the list grows every day. In TEN DAYS.
And this is all without the personal contributions from our citizens which is over the top!
The US has been helping other countries since we became a country and it makes me ill to see the naysayers harping about it not being enough. Americans open their wallets for charity both at home and abroad every year whether there is a current natural disaster or not in numbers that will never be equaled by other countries of the world. And it's never enough, it's not fast enough blah blah blah. It makes me sick. It's not a race and it's not a contest. It's a disaster! A huge one. And the US, once again is responding in a HUGE way!
I find it very interesting that George Bush was criticized for not coming out before the cameras right awa. As though there aren't any phones in Crawford Texas and his not appearing before the press meant to so many that he wasn't doing anything. But I don't see people nailing Kofi Annan for continuing on the ski slopes in Jackson Wyoming for 3 days and not coming out in front of the cameras? And Annan is the Secretary of the UN for christ sake! For him it was okay to say:
"We live in a world where you can operate from wherever you are. You know the world we live in now. You don?t have to be physically here to be dealing with the leaders and the Governments I have been dealing with. You don?t have to be physically here to be discussing with some of the agencies that we have done."
And who was the first person the heads of state in that region got a phone call from? Colin Powell. Doing his job and reaching out to other countries. And Bush's call came in shortly after.
XW
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it has just been announced on cnn that president bush has contributed $10,000 of his own money to the tsunami victims.. poor guy he obviously doesn't have much money.. .
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Hey he is the one that was bragging about it,
This was released by Bush's press secretary (as it would be under any other administration) and I didn't read or hear anything anywhere that Bush was "bragging" or even spoke about it himself.
