Both Rem and Realist have made the blunt statements that Evolution is FACT. Rem admits that as far as original cause is concerned there must still be doubt but their working on it. But after the Original Cause issue (Abiogenesis) its evolution all the way , baby. I just love his arrogance :).
Science has made great progress in the field, but I'm in no position to defend it because there are not enough facts yet.
Maybe in another quantumkizillion years there will be. :)
There are, however, enough facts to support Evolution beyond a shadow of a doubt.
Is another Scopes Monkey Trial necessary to convince you evolution is even more so a theory now than then. In fact I think a trial in a court of law would be very advantageous right now. Let us hope.
Anyone who looks at the facts and denies the reality of Evolution is being intellectually dishonest. They are forcing the observed facts to conform with their ancient religious text. And when that doesn't work, they outright deny the facts. That is intellectual dishonesty in the extreme.
How can you say those that do not believe in Evolution are being dishonest. Creation conforms to their common sense and understanding. It would be intellectual dishonesty to blindly accept the word of someone that is a scientific God who proports to know more than we and should decide for us what is fact.
If the socalled fact of evolution is only evident to those specially trained adherents to this Godless religion then I say do not teach this stuff to my children in school.
Evolution is not a theory that tries to avoid giving creative credit to a personal original cause. It is just a scientific theory that explains the facts well.
Which is it fact or theory? If it is so provable why hasn't it been proven.
It says nothing of the origins of life... only of the origins and changing of species.
You obviously don't believe that the origins and changing of the species that evolution holds out is seriously questioned and unright disputed by intelligent men of science. I'm am desirous of pursuing this question is detail. I will be starting a thread on this later. At that time please tell me what evolutionists have proven as to the origin of the species. Lets have our modern Scopes Monkey trial right here.
it becomes really pointless to discuss science with people who have no idea what they are talking about. i don't blame anyone for nothaving the time to study physics, biology or whatever science. but then they should at least not try to argue against proven scientific facts.
non of the people here who are defending creation have a clue about the facts that support evolution. in fact they have no clue about how science works. otherwise they would keep their rediculous statements to themselfs. The only thing ridiculous is your constant insistence evolution is fact. Lets give you opportunity as outlined above to show what uninformed, uneducated people we believers in creation are.
i think decency would require that they read the scientific facts and explanations before they post. but unfortunately they are not even willing to read summaries like that provided on talkorigins.
I know what I am sure of and satisfied with believing. When that is the case one is not looking for another answer and don't want to be convinced contrary. I wouldn't even suggest you read a creationist book. I do not think you would be indecent because would choose not to. You likewise are satisfied with your point of view. Your intelligence supports that point of view. But each of our seperate points of view is only credible to ourselves and hopefully to some who are are uncommitted to theirs. My participation in these debates is for the benefit of these individuals.
[quote]the best is probably to leave them in their ignorance and if it makes them really happy let them keep their naive views about the world
What you suggest is wise if your purpose is to change our committed points of view. But for the sake of the general public let us offer up our best cases in support of our points of view. PS- Pomegranate, your defense has been wonderful giving creationist already a strong case for the trial.
Zechariah
