monday, january 8
the following scripture is the daily text for jan 8 of the year 2002.. the text explanation says nothing of the the connection to the silver cords spirit connection.. .
the silver cord is removed, and the golden bowl gets crushed, and the jar at the spring is broken,and the waterwheelfor the cistern has been crushed.
Monday, January 8
The following scripture is the daily text for Jan 8 of the Year 2002.. The text explanation says nothing of the the connection to the silver cords spirit connection.
The silver cord is removed, and the golden bowl gets crushed, and the jar at the spring is broken,and the waterwheelfor the cistern has been crushed. --Eccl. 12:6.
Zechariah
all historical and archeological evidence aside, the biggest evidence that convinced me evolution is factual is speciation (also called "micro-evolution").
this is the transformation of one species into two such that the two can no longer interbreed.
there is no need for historical evidence to prove this -- cases of speciation have actually been observed.
Crazy151drinker,
The whole purpose of labeling Bible writers as sheep herders is to demean their intelligence. Surely they fail in this to use Moses as an example. Caling Moses a sheepherders is like calling Ben Cartwright of the Ponderosa a cow herders. Certainly a way of demeaning someone in a way that is not merited.
Zechariah
all historical and archeological evidence aside, the biggest evidence that convinced me evolution is factual is speciation (also called "micro-evolution").
this is the transformation of one species into two such that the two can no longer interbreed.
there is no need for historical evidence to prove this -- cases of speciation have actually been observed.
Crownboy,
Zechariah, since most bible writers aren't positively identified how do you know they were "educated"?
Most people of times past that could read and write period were considered educated.
You have kings, princes of nations and master architects, high ranking government officials, doctors, etc.
Thats good evidence.
What evidence is anybody relying on that any bible writer wer goat herders as a occupation?
Zechariah
is it sad to anybody that people can jump from one stupid idea to another.
i mean what else can you believe in after the jehovahs witness's.
why just jump from belief to another.
Is not it even sadder that people believe the problem with JWs is their belief in God. They become willing to throw the baby out with the bathwater.
The baby is the only thing of value in the whole thing. It represents appropriately here at Christmastime Jesus Christ or belief in God. We have to have the good sense to recognize that and find some fresh unpolluted water to rejuvenate our faith.
If we throw the baby out we will mourn him the rest of our lives.
Zechariah
Edited by - zechariah on 17 November 2002 6:24:51
noahs descendants .
genesis 10. the table of nations .
the japhethites .
Jesus definately would agree with me.
I'm no dummy and I know a lot of things but it is not what I know I treasure but that I have the gift of wisdom the Spirit grants me to properly percieve and understand whatever little I know.
I don't rely on worldly education. All the important things about faith and God can be easily understood by anyone of any education. No one needs any education to know whether God exists. Unbelievers disbelief is only a biased opinion based on fear of trust. It has nothing to do with the intellect.
It has everything to do with ones willingness to believe.
Jesus was disgusted with the false pride of the educated who denied him and tried to bolster their opinions with claims of superior intellect. I take similar pride in not being understood by people like this and being called a fool and mad.
The wisdom of the world is foolishness with God. I appreciate that scripture more and more in this debate about belief on this board.
Zechariah
noahs descendants .
genesis 10. the table of nations .
the japhethites .
REM,
Did you say something?
(Dont bother answering)
Zechariah
i was wondering if anyone has dabbled in astral projection.
i have been doing it recently and it has been really amazing.
there is so much that we dont know about as humans.
I have accomplished it on two occasions for short periods following a procedure in a book called "You are psychic" as well a Sylvia Brpwne book that speaks about it.
The reason I believe most people can't achieve this is because it requires a great amount of faith that you have protection in the world of the spirit so that you can allow your spirit to depart.
Otherwise it would be very sary maybe even traumatic for one to indulge in. This is especially true is one is condition by the WTS that all communication with the spirit world is demonism. Belief in God and his protection is essential I think to harmless astral travel.
I have not attempted it for a longtime but am desirous of honing the ability to acheive it at will.
Certainly these expeiences have cemented my belief that we are physically embodied spirit creatures. Lucid dreams I have experienced quite a lot but not lately. I am anxious now to get back to it.
Zechariah
noahs descendants .
genesis 10. the table of nations .
the japhethites .
Analysis,
This just confirms what I have already seen from you; which are that you will go to any length to support your perceived truth. The Bible states God are truth. I can not separate truth from intellectual honesty.
It is for certain you are not ever going to be able to understand this because of your love affair with the ego (mind/intellect). You like most all unbelievers do not recognize the Godforce within you and therefore will never tap it.
Faith is the assured expectation of things hoped for. The power in it is because it defies reason. Intellect is its enemy. It is why I have arrived at these following principles to live by. First is only to believe that which benefis me.
Most things the intellect motivates you to believe are negative. It for most people is natural to think in negative ways. It takes great determination to think in ways that benefit us. Always one should count his blessings rather than his troubles. One should always believe he capable of doing and achieving that which is important for him. One should always trust in God to combat fear and to have a sense of security.
This ability is incredibly important. A case in point is the Oprah show yesterday. It had two segments which highlighted women that combatted and confronted their worse fears or phobias. One woman was afraid of heights but when trained and assisted to believe everything was safe she scaled down the side of a skyscraper. Another woman was afraid of closed places. She crawled through a long, dark maze they created which was extremely liberating for her to have seen the light at the end of the tunnel. The point of all this is that the key to successfully dealing with ones fears is to think in ways or make yourself believe you are safe. Being realistic and following the intellect doesnt help at all. Doing that is the very reason for ones fears in the first place.
People that say be realistic are only encouraging pessimism. There is no benefit in thinking pessimistic and it should be each man obligation to force themselves to think optimistically. That is not ignoring facts. It is merely casting the event in the best possible light.
It is making the best of all situations. To feel obligated to the intellect puts us on a road to failure.
You are just like the religious leaders who condemned Galileo. The Bible doesnt teach that Earth is the center of the universe, but they had their preconceived belief and they used intellectual dishonesty to condemn those whose beliefs were different then their current worldview or beliefs. The Bible does not say how God created the universe, earth, man or the animals. It just states that he did create them. Yet you have a preconceived view and you condemn me when I ask simple questions. You stated: "I am not a believer that everything the Bible says is to be taken literally."
Saying you are wrong about something is not condemnation. Don't be so melodramatic.
I am not condemning anybody. You believe what you want and accept the blessings or maledictions that come with that belief.
I for certain do not believe everything in the Bible is to be taken literally. But I will not concede it has other meaning unless it is clearly evident it could not be literally true. If I have any problem rectifying something the Bible says as being literally true then I choose to believe that I wish and which benefits me. It is foolish and defeatist to think in other way.
I believe nobody dies until he gives up on life. I personally believe I cannot die until my mission in life is accomplished. I believe the angels protect me and often perform miracles of salvation on my behalf. I remember years ago while working at nights I would often on the drive home be so tired
I would often arrive home having no idea how I got there. After a number of occasions I realized the angels were taking over and driving me home. From that point on I didn't ever worry about the possibilty of fallng asleep as I knew the angels were protecting me. I would on these occasions as I knew the angels would drive for me.
I don't think it the slightest bit important that you think evolution is the means that God created the earth or that even the belief man hatched from a egg, etc. As long as you realize the God is our creator and the Most High in all the earth God is satisfied. All the other stuff is mute. That doesn't mean I don't have strong opinions on the subject and am happy to debate them when invited.
I aso do not believe it necessary to believe in God to also believe in the inspiration of the Bible. God is God under whatever name one calls him. The gift that comes from believing God is the Holy Spirit which teaches us all that is important we know. This includes the appreciation of the Bibles inspiration.. It however is the reward and not the requirement for a right relationship with God.
The accusation of intellectual dishonesty used by unbelievers is misused as much much as apostate is by JWs. I understand what I am being accused of from the unbelievers perspective and from that perspective only I am guilty.
I have no guilt about it. I therefore wear the label proudly because in reality it is I that am the one being truly intelligently honest. You say that you like to debate different points of view other than your real beliefs. You get offended when someone is fooled by your facade and takes you at your word and judges you accordingly.
Do you not regard that as intellectual dishonesty. You would attempt to prove a contrary viewpoint to your actual belief using the same evidence which looked at from a different perspective prove the opposing viewpoint. If the truth is so unimportant you can do that who is it that is intellectually dishonest, you or me. I would say that correctly intellectual dishonesty is not engaging in negative thinking but believing and proclaiming only that you really believe no matter what.
There is only one thing that is now a sin before God. All other things once condemned by law has been blanketly forgiven. Failure to believe in the ransom sacrafice (God) is the only sin left as it is the unforgivable sin tht the ransom can't cover.This is the one sin that human weakness is no excuse for.
God never condemns men. Men only condemn themselves by their rejecting the ransom sacrafice (God). Disconnection from God is spiritual death.
Zechariah
i've seen people claim on the web that emails aparently from them have been faked.
yes, sounds reasonable.
in fact, i've had emails faked to look like they are from me and we've recently seen one made to look like it was from silentlambs.. however, as with any claims on any subject, there will be those who make the claims for other reasons.
Simon,
This is evolution at work.
Zechariah
has anyone seen/watch "crossing over" (john edwards) or seen sylvia brown?
i do believe there are scam artists out there, and i'm not prone to believing in psychics, but these two are very convincing.. i don't believe its demons, because quite frankly i think they have better things to do then get to know someone's life so well they can "mimic" them after death .
part of me is very attracted to "their message" - even the animals "cross over"... but the skeptic in me .
Patricia,
I am so envious. I would love a reading by either John Edwards or Sylvia. I alot like yourself was a total sceptic on this subject because of JW conditioning. Now I am a total believer that appropriate non-demonic communication with the dead is possible. Also it is not condemned by the Bible. I will defend this statement later.
I certainly would know almost instantly if they are authentic.
I understand the problems John Edwards had at the beginning of his career dealing with skeptics and those intent on discrediting him. I watched some of his early shows and saw his struggling. I am convinced it was due to the non cooperation of skeptics he has since learned how to avoid.
I now believe contrary to JW teaching that man is a physically embodied spirit creature (soul). I believe the spirit cannot die and lives forever. It lives conected to God in heaven. Or disconnected and seperated from God in hell. Both heaven and hell are spiritual conditions. I believe now in recreation.
We as souls are actors on a stage playing many roles over which time we build a career. The career of the soul is judged in the last days by Christ who determines whether we remain conected or forever seperated from God. The soul as a spirit is not subject to physical death only spiritual death (seperation from God)
I have read many things by Sylvia Browne. I am now reminded to see what if anything John Edwards has written.
I am anxiously looking forward to your report.
Zechariah
